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Posted on 2004-04-07
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I am doing fairly well with my website in google, but i'm getting comparatively fewer visitors from yahoo.  I am listed there (I checked).  I am not sure why the difference.  Can anyone point me to some reading or give other advise as to how to gain a better response for searches in yahoo?

I have an account with Overture, created a while ago, and probably before Yahoo used Overture (if I understand that to be the case correctly).   Is my same Overture account for the same domain useful in my endeavors for Yahoo as well as for Google?

 With all the changes all the time, I'm not sure what to do.  I'm always interested in improving the site and it's content, but i'd also like to know if there is any particular paid inclusion (beyone their standard business fee) that would be useful.
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Hi linque -

Where are you in the rankings on Yahoo? For example for a given keyword/keyphrase you might be 8 (say) in Google, what position are you in Yahoo for the same search?

- duz

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like nowhere!   Google seems to fluctuate, but even for some really broad search terms we are listed at the top of google for many different pages and searches, and with a really nice pagerank for the home page and slightly underthat for others.  It varies slightly when they re-index, but it's been pretty solid for a while now.  We are pretty happy with the results there.

For yahoo..  nuttin!  and the most telling thing is that our various stats show where the people come from.
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linque -

OK we need to do some analysis.

The first thing we need to do is look in the server logs and check that the Yahoo bot is actually grabbing the pages. It can't index what it don't have!  It depends on your log analysis software and if you have user-agent logging enabled as to how you confirm this but essentially look for Mozilla/5.0 (compatible; yahoo! slurp; http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/ysearch/slurp). How often does it visit and how does it behave is the question?

Next thing we need to check is if the home page is in the Yahoo index at all. On the right of the Yahoo search box click on 'Advanced'.  On the Advanced Web Search page enter 'the' in 'all of these words' and 'yourdomain.com' in 'only search in this domain/site:' then click 'Yahoo Search'.  Any pages? 1-2 or a lot?

Next thing is are you in the Yahoo directory? http://dir.yahoo.com/

These are the basic first steps in our analysis and we can proceed based on the answers.

- duz


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by:linque
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wow..

ok.. well..first part.  We switched hosts a couple of months ago.  As of ONLY this week, their new stats work which does show 2 different versions of what robots visit.  So, although I have *very* skimpy stats for that, it does say that the second downloaded mb was by a "mozilla compatible agent".  Although the percentages are probably meaningless just yet, since there has been so little time, it shows that one to have 32.10 percent.   (my other stats are from an independent company and are easy to use, but don't have the robot info.. we've had that a long time)

second:    I did what you said in the Advanced area.. I got 18 results back.  That seems kinda puny considering the BIG size of this site.


Finally,      NO!!  it didn't come up in the directory!!!   ?????  !!!!  

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what I meant to say was:   the new type of stats the host is now using have two choices for viewing robots' activity.  Both of these views show the second most often visited robot, and the one that downloaded (or viewed.. not sure the terminology here) the second largest amount.. was the mozilla compatible agent.  Googlebot is the first, and there are misc. others after those two.
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linque -

OK it looks like Yahoo has you in it's sights. I would suggest that you persuade your client to spend $299 for inclusion in the Yahoo directory. Then it will be a case of monitoring the server logs for slurp (the bot) and increased Yahoo search referrers over the next few months. Also of course monitor your position in Yahoo serps.

- duz
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ok..  i'll do that today
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