get mouse position in java without frames or applet

hi,
just a quick question. if for example i move a mouse to a certain position using ajav.awt.Robot.
can i get the mouse position? without using frames or applets? so just the mouse coordinates of the current screen. is it possible? or must i use a frame or applet for it?
thanks
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TraltixxAsked:
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objectsCommented:
for example for Windows you woould need to write a dll.
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objectsCommented:
i don't think you can (without native code).
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TraltixxAuthor Commented:
cant? what do you mean by native code?
are there other languages where i can emulate mouse movement (keystrokes) and get their values/position? if there are where can i find information on it?
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Tommy BraasCommented:
If you're controlling the position of the mouse pointer, why would you need to read it? To validate that the mouse pointer actuallyu moved?

For all types of UI events in a modern OS are basically divided up into two categories; System events and application events.

System events become application events when the system has determined which application the events belong to.

java.awt.Robot, I believe, can only be used inside a Java GUI. I guess that's the whole idea with it.
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objectsCommented:
> what do you mean by native code?

I mean you'll need to write code specific to the OS you are running on
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TraltixxAuthor Commented:
moving and reading the mouse pointer are done in seperate classes. use in different times, but i need both.
anyway, the java.awt.Robot can be used outside the java GUI even into external applications. but i need to get the mouse position in those external applications.
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objectsCommented:
Pretty sure u are going to need to write native code for whatever OS you want to support.
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TraltixxAuthor Commented:
ok..i still dont get what you mean by native code? some sort of assembly like code which can interact with the OS? arent there other languages i can use to acomplish this?
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Tommy BraasCommented:
Traltixx, native code is anything that is not interpreted, e.g. C/C++ etc. It runs unmodified on the processor, the binary executable files contain processor instructions for a specific processor (processor family). For instance, native code compiled for Mac OS X/PowerPC will not run on Windows/Pentium. Instruction sets differ between processor families and are incompatible.

Java is interpreted and requires a Java Runtime for the platform on which the code is to run. Java binary code (.class files) contain processor instructions for the Java processor, which until a few years ago was a virtual processor (it didn't exist in real life). You can now buy and equip a computer with a Java processor. There is even a Java OS.

JNI bridges the gap between Java and native code. When running the javah compiler a C file is created. It is this C file you add your own platform specific code by calling into various APIs available for that platform. In your case you need to find which APIs to interface with in order to accomplish your task.

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