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New TAs make it more confusing? How about this!
I was chatting with NetMinder, and I think the new arranegment does NOT make sense. Certainly, this new TA is very badly organized... Domino Admin under web development? No! If anything, Domino Programming goes under Web Development, not Domino admin. Domino admin could go under the old area, which had been primarily about programming questions. I would say it was 5-10% admin questions, <5% user questions. The old TA was somewhat busy -- active, but not overly busy, with what -- about a dozen questions a day, typically?
By breaking it apart, we dilute it into a very unbusy admin area, a still active programming area. Plus, with the way things are buried, what admin is ever going to find this TA to post questions in?
So, here's what I propose...
Three TA's, under the same hierarchy as before:
Applications/Email/Lotus - a "group" TA, approximately where the old topic area was, and will hopefully become inactive, except for user-level questions
Applications/Email/Lotus/A
Applications/Email/Lotus/P
By naming them functionally instead of product-wise, I think it lifts any confuson over what goes where, and by putting them in the same hierarchy, it makes it likely that someone can recognize them and make a good decison as to where to put a question (instead of whichever one is found first). Plus, since the /Lotus area will have very few questions, you don't end up with someone putting a non-programming question together with the programming questions, just because it is seen first and it is active. "Demoting" the prgramming area makes the other areas more accesible.
Eventually, I would like to see the whole hierarchy move up to the Applications/Lotus instead of Applications/Email/Lotus, since the Email organization part is a non-sequitir for most of what goes on here. Then, we would have:
Applications/Lotus
Applications/Lotus/Domino Administration
Applications/Lotus/Program
Applications/Lotus/SmartSu
...or...
Applications/Lotus
Applications/Lotus/Notes-D
Applications/Lotus/Notes-D
Applications/Lotus/Notes-D
Applications/Lotus/SmartSu
...or maybe even...
Applications/Lotus
Applications/Lotus/Notes-D
Applications/Lotus/Notes-D
Applications/Lotus/Notes-D
Applications/Lotus/Notes-D
Applications/Lotus/SmartSu
...not buried under e-Mail as it is now! Fairly obvious, as well, is what goes where. EE also supports "cross-linked" topics. Today, Web Development/App Servers/Lotus Notes/Domino already takes you to Applications/Email/Lotus Notes/Domino (the renamed "old" topic area). We could add Programing/Web Development/Lotus Domino area, but clicking on it would take you straight to Applications/Lotus/Program
What d'y'all think?
Best regards,
qwaletee
P.S. I apologize for the seemingly reversed puntuation in teh question subject, but I thought it presented the idea better.
P.P.S. This question is cross-referenced in http:Q_20958342.html (https://www.experts-exchange.com/questions/20958342/New-TAs-More-confusing-How-about-this.html), but I am keeping the main discussion here, if only to build a little interest in the now-empty TA.
By breaking it apart, we dilute it into a very unbusy admin area, a still active programming area. Plus, with the way things are buried, what admin is ever going to find this TA to post questions in?
So, here's what I propose...
Three TA's, under the same hierarchy as before:
Applications/Email/Lotus - a "group" TA, approximately where the old topic area was, and will hopefully become inactive, except for user-level questions
Applications/Email/Lotus/A
Applications/Email/Lotus/P
By naming them functionally instead of product-wise, I think it lifts any confuson over what goes where, and by putting them in the same hierarchy, it makes it likely that someone can recognize them and make a good decison as to where to put a question (instead of whichever one is found first). Plus, since the /Lotus area will have very few questions, you don't end up with someone putting a non-programming question together with the programming questions, just because it is seen first and it is active. "Demoting" the prgramming area makes the other areas more accesible.
Eventually, I would like to see the whole hierarchy move up to the Applications/Lotus instead of Applications/Email/Lotus, since the Email organization part is a non-sequitir for most of what goes on here. Then, we would have:
Applications/Lotus
Applications/Lotus/Domino Administration
Applications/Lotus/Program
Applications/Lotus/SmartSu
...or...
Applications/Lotus
Applications/Lotus/Notes-D
Applications/Lotus/Notes-D
Applications/Lotus/Notes-D
Applications/Lotus/SmartSu
...or maybe even...
Applications/Lotus
Applications/Lotus/Notes-D
Applications/Lotus/Notes-D
Applications/Lotus/Notes-D
Applications/Lotus/Notes-D
Applications/Lotus/SmartSu
...not buried under e-Mail as it is now! Fairly obvious, as well, is what goes where. EE also supports "cross-linked" topics. Today, Web Development/App Servers/Lotus Notes/Domino already takes you to Applications/Email/Lotus Notes/Domino (the renamed "old" topic area). We could add Programing/Web Development/Lotus Domino area, but clicking on it would take you straight to Applications/Lotus/Program
What d'y'all think?
Best regards,
qwaletee
P.S. I apologize for the seemingly reversed puntuation in teh question subject, but I thought it presented the idea better.
P.P.S. This question is cross-referenced in http:Q_20958342.html (https://www.experts-exchange.com/questions/20958342/New-TAs-More-confusing-How-about-this.html), but I am keeping the main discussion here, if only to build a little interest in the now-empty TA.
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Eh, then you'd have to put EMAIL under GROUPWARE, and I don't think that flies.
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Guys,
Frankly speaking, I like to have all the Notes issues(Admin/Client/Web) in one TA. IT makes easy to browse in single place.Now it became difficult to open another browser and look for admin questoins.
I did not liked the idea of separating Lotus Notes into 2 TA's.
If possible place a new TA with all Lotus Notes related questoins at one place.
Thanks
Frankly speaking, I like to have all the Notes issues(Admin/Client/Web) in one TA. IT makes easy to browse in single place.Now it became difficult to open another browser and look for admin questoins.
I did not liked the idea of separating Lotus Notes into 2 TA's.
If possible place a new TA with all Lotus Notes related questoins at one place.
Thanks
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>>What do we want? We want to build a knowledgebase here? Or we want to offer the participating experts ease-of-use? (Ever heard of QuickPost?)<<
Knowledgebase and ease of use for all users and not only for experts.
Look at endusers point of view. There are lot of people who doesn't have knowledge of Lotus Notes and they are unable to decide where to post. Even they don't know that there is Domino Admin TA(Ofcourse it will take some time to know).
If you are talking about a single software which has all the capabilities let us have in the same way. So, Lotus did not differentiated Admin and Client and Web as three different categories. It is all in a single umbrella. So, I prefer either to have a single TA like old verision or create a new TA like:
Lotus \Development
Lotus \Admin
or
Lotus\Client
Lotus\Web
Lotus\Admin
Lotus\Others
By Seeing the above, it is very difficult to go each TA and browse for answers. And if I want to search on any keyword, I have to go individually in each TA and search or I need to Select in All Topic Areas.
And if you are thinking where this TA to be placed, I prefer it to call under Application.
So, let us maintain in a Single TA. But it should not be in Email TA.
It should be like
Applications/LotusNotesDom
>>What to say when a person asks a Lotus Domino question in MS Access TA or Lotus SmartSuite TA. Should be club them all together?<<
Yes you are true. When I first visited this site, I had very difficulty to know where Lotus NOtes is. I never thought it will be under Email.
And the biggest questoin is how many new questoins are posted under DominoAdmin? When you separate TA's you should be aware of how many new quesoitns will be asked per day.
We know that a new TA has been added in WEB called Domino_Admin. From the day it is implemented, how many new questoins has been asked?
We will be getting questions every day in Programming (Client and Web) and a very few questoins per week in Admin.
So, what is the use of having a separate TA for Admin.
Let us have a totally new TA for Lotus Notes Domino, which will have all the quesoitns related to it. Except Smartsuite.
Thanks.
Knowledgebase and ease of use for all users and not only for experts.
Look at endusers point of view. There are lot of people who doesn't have knowledge of Lotus Notes and they are unable to decide where to post. Even they don't know that there is Domino Admin TA(Ofcourse it will take some time to know).
If you are talking about a single software which has all the capabilities let us have in the same way. So, Lotus did not differentiated Admin and Client and Web as three different categories. It is all in a single umbrella. So, I prefer either to have a single TA like old verision or create a new TA like:
Lotus \Development
Lotus \Admin
or
Lotus\Client
Lotus\Web
Lotus\Admin
Lotus\Others
By Seeing the above, it is very difficult to go each TA and browse for answers. And if I want to search on any keyword, I have to go individually in each TA and search or I need to Select in All Topic Areas.
And if you are thinking where this TA to be placed, I prefer it to call under Application.
So, let us maintain in a Single TA. But it should not be in Email TA.
It should be like
Applications/LotusNotesDom
>>What to say when a person asks a Lotus Domino question in MS Access TA or Lotus SmartSuite TA. Should be club them all together?<<
Yes you are true. When I first visited this site, I had very difficulty to know where Lotus NOtes is. I never thought it will be under Email.
And the biggest questoin is how many new questoins are posted under DominoAdmin? When you separate TA's you should be aware of how many new quesoitns will be asked per day.
We know that a new TA has been added in WEB called Domino_Admin. From the day it is implemented, how many new questoins has been asked?
We will be getting questions every day in Programming (Client and Web) and a very few questoins per week in Admin.
So, what is the use of having a separate TA for Admin.
Let us have a totally new TA for Lotus Notes Domino, which will have all the quesoitns related to it. Except Smartsuite.
Thanks.
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You tell me one thing. Did you not encountered people who are asking without knowledge in LND?
Do you think they are clear what they are asking? Every person is not necessarily be as good as you.
Every one visitng this site not necessarily know where to place a question.
I know it is having different types. But it is called Lotus Notes Domino.That is my point.
if you are so much interested to have different TA's, go ahead. But in proper locations.
As Qwaletee pointed out. Domino_Admin is in wrong place and same to Lotus Notes(in Email).
So, first confirm in which Main category you want to place.
Think for a while and forget about busses, categories, etc.,.
I want to outsource to company to develop in SAP and LN.
Your company supports only LN. If another company B offers both, then where will I go? Which is easy for him to communicate, maintain relatoinship?
I am not objecting that you should not have different categories. But if everything is in a single TA and called as LOTUS NOTES DOMINO, there won't be confusion for users like me where to go.
Do you think they are clear what they are asking? Every person is not necessarily be as good as you.
Every one visitng this site not necessarily know where to place a question.
I know it is having different types. But it is called Lotus Notes Domino.That is my point.
if you are so much interested to have different TA's, go ahead. But in proper locations.
As Qwaletee pointed out. Domino_Admin is in wrong place and same to Lotus Notes(in Email).
So, first confirm in which Main category you want to place.
Think for a while and forget about busses, categories, etc.,.
I want to outsource to company to develop in SAP and LN.
Your company supports only LN. If another company B offers both, then where will I go? Which is easy for him to communicate, maintain relatoinship?
I am not objecting that you should not have different categories. But if everything is in a single TA and called as LOTUS NOTES DOMINO, there won't be confusion for users like me where to go.
In SAP we have different modules.
But is it covered in one TA. What about that? Else we can have as Oracle.
But is it covered in one TA. What about that? Else we can have as Oracle.
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Ok. It can be done. After your visit they will throw me out.
Instead give me some time, I will call you personally.
OK.
Instead give me some time, I will call you personally.
OK.
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I vote with Ranjeet... we're not here to help someone who just wants a free ride, and organizing the questions actually makes it EASIER to browse and search. After all, the search engine here is not that great, and at least by restricting the search to category, it will be easier in teh future to weed stuff out.
I'm going to give most of the points to Ranjeet.
I'm going to give most of the points to Ranjeet.
Thanks Q! I really hope we all continue to work to make Domino a better known and mass use product!
Thanks to everyone for participating. Participation from everyone helps brings out the best conclusion!
Thanks to everyone for participating. Participation from everyone helps brings out the best conclusion!
But how (and who) are we taking our results up to Admin?
Good that we have come to some kind of a conclusion, but if no one else knows.....
Good that we have come to some kind of a conclusion, but if no one else knows.....
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Hey, shouldn't that be your job?
I will email Netminder to bring his attention to this.
Not neccessarily. I help people to find their way in EE and get their questions answered. You've already contacted NetMinder, but community support is another good place to drop our opinion.
But its fine with me if you want me be the messenger... I may have a few more contacts.
It's hard to tell if we have all a agreed on a certain structure though. You have accepted my suggestion as answer, but instead of a "Lotus" as TA "IBM" is also mentioned. Good point if websphere gets included....
Most important conclusion is that we would like all of the Notes subtopics together in order to search these together and to have Smartsuite on the same level and close to Notes to reduce the number of misposted questions.
In short: what do you want me to suggest on behalf of all participants here?
But its fine with me if you want me be the messenger... I may have a few more contacts.
It's hard to tell if we have all a agreed on a certain structure though. You have accepted my suggestion as answer, but instead of a "Lotus" as TA "IBM" is also mentioned. Good point if websphere gets included....
Most important conclusion is that we would like all of the Notes subtopics together in order to search these together and to have Smartsuite on the same level and close to Notes to reduce the number of misposted questions.
In short: what do you want me to suggest on behalf of all participants here?
That was typed when Ranjeet had not yet posted.....
It makes sense to group Notes and other end-user applications at one place. IBM or Lotus but they should be under one main TA. Websphere and Java seem to be the next thing IBM is gearing up for. So, forward thinking would be to have a TA for WebSphere as well (I'm not sure if there is any at the moment).
Perhaps websphere questions are now dropped under java?
I do think we should summarize our conclusion before we ask anyone to read all of this.... I bet NetMinder has better/more things to do! ;-)
I do think we should summarize our conclusion before we ask anyone to read all of this.... I bet NetMinder has better/more things to do! ;-)
Agree to that! So, are you doing that :-)
I thought I just asked the questionner to summarize....
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The aliases are already there, at least in one case for Domino. They are used pretty thoroughly throughout all of EE's TA's. There would be no problem aliasing the old:
/Applications/Email/Lotus_
...to the new:
/Applications/Lotus/Notes_