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Do you know Friendster or Orkut, a social networking connected people together, I'm interesting some algorithm in the site:

Can anybody tell me how to calculate quickly to determined the count of people in everyone's personal networking. I think the breadth first search is very slowly.
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By personal network you mean the connected component (of the social network graph) that the person is in, right? That is, the count of people that can be reached through "associate" links.

I am making sure I understand what you are asking for.

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The count of people is calucalte 4 degree. for example, My 1 degree of people is direct connected to me, 2 degree of people is connected through one people. how many people in my 4 degree networking.
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How often is the graph changed? I ask because I think breadth-first is the best solution (especially a depth-limited breadth-first search). If the graph changes regularly, then you can do the search at the moment of query. If the graph is MOSTLY static, that is there are lots and lots of queries you can update the count when you insert a node or add a connection (again, depends on the relative frequency of operations).

Other thoughts:
It is possible to keep a list of distance n neighbors (probably not too space intensive) though in social networks there is a large percentage of the graph at distance 4. Probably easier to just keep the count (perhaps as a count at each distance).

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Generally, each node stores the number of exit paths.  So at degree 1, you know your count, degree 2, you follow out each path and get their counts and add them, etc.

Breadth vs depth doesn't really make a difference, as in all of these programs (that I've seen), the numbers are approximate -- i.e., I don't know that they eliminate duplicate friends from counts.  And, since they only tell you to degree 4 or so anyway, the search doesn't take that long.

It is also possible that these systems actually store both degree 1 AND degree 2 counts at every node (updates to one node push to all connected), so that traversal/calc is THAT much faster.

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The count can precalculated and store to database, when user request the count, just pick it from database and return immediately.

But the precalculation is also unefficient if do breadth-frist travel every time to get everyone's count.
Can way get the counts only one or several travel times.
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(1) Depth-first versus breadth-first traversal will vist the same number of nodes (assuming it is not depth limited, each will visit every node in the connected component where the search starts). If answers are approximate, precalculating the depth 2 numbers means that you can get the "number" you want with a breadth first sum of depth 2 friends of your friends' friends.

(2) Pre-calculation is not that expensive IF updates are relatively rare. Yes, pushing the change through 4 layers is expensive but if you think about it you really only update when a new connection is added (or one is removed) and that means that we are really already 1 ply down in the graph (we know the new friend). If we're not worried about overcounting, we can just move down to all their friends, their friends' friends, and their friends' friends' friends, counting them AND incrementing their counts (we added a new friend to the group). If we're worried about overcounting, then we need some list of all of the members of the group and that would require calculating _or_storing it. That is a full depth 4 traversal OR a fair amount of storage. We can use a depth 2 set of friends  to quickly build the depth 4 set (just union all the depth 2 neighbor's depth 2 sets, counting on union to handle duplicates).

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