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Hi, Im trying to run sharepoint services on a win2003 server, but with the doc library being 'mapped' by connecting client computers.  the server is on a workgroup in cyberspace, with no domain controller or active dirtectory.

Windows seems to map it fine, but my problem is i would like to map other folders that arent sharepoint using the standard 'webdav' i believe. Is there a way i can run the two together.  thanks

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imho sharepoint services isn't that good at including external (to sharepoint site) content.
There's the potential for using virtual directories within your web to point at off-server locations, or setting up a page with iframes to pull in external content but your external content will probably not be searchable and won't use the features of team services. You might find something useful if you want to delve into the Software Development Kit.  (See: http://www.microsoft.com/resources/documentation/wss/2/all/adminguide/en-us/stswp03.mspx for info on developing web parts).  
Sharepoint services wasn't really designed to be an enterprise-wide/multi-datastore solution. From what I've seen, it only allows access to resources stored within the sharepoint website itself and its' associated database.  Other than that it'll only  let you do a few extra bits and pieces with the SDK and by using virtual directories & customising your pages through frontpage.  
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Thank you, what im after is a way to run both webdav (virtual dirs via IIS)  & sharepoint so that i can use sharepoints calendars, discussions etc, but also have my 100 users mapped into a webdav drive...

I think it may be something to do with adding a new site/app pool?  aagghh help please! ive tried everything!

thanks alimu
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Thank you, what im after is a way to run both webdav (virtual dirs via IIS)  & sharepoint so that i can use sharepoints calendars, discussions etc, but also have my 100 users mapped into a webdav drive...

I think it may be something to do with adding a new site/app pool?  aagghh help please! ive tried everything!

thanks alimu
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by:alexiskb
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Ok found out how to do it....  not sure if its the right way but...


- created new default application pool in IIS6
- created a new web, with a virtual dir im mapping to over the net
- set the default port on sharepoint to 8080 instead of 80 and set the webdav folder to 80

for some reason mapping a drive to another port other than 80 was difficult so now i map to 8080.
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this is sounding very confused...
You can run both of your websites on port 80 using host headers (if you don't, your users will need to type in :8080 after the website address every time they want to use it).
You should be able to use virtual directories in your new website but need to watch permissions on the directory being mapped to and it has the potential to get pretty messy.
What exactly are you trying to achieve with the webdav site? is there a reason you can't just use the sharepoint services document library functionality to upload documents to the server?
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Thanks alimu i will look into host headers. I have only one DNS set up on the site would i need another.

I have a 2003 file server with no Active Directory set up as the computer is out on the net, and i am connecting from 8 sites...

Im trying using webdav, because i tried many times to get the mapped sharepoint dir ( the doc libraries ) to work well, and can when mapped as a 'network place' --- but being 'a network place' isnt as good as mapping a drive...

 i would always get a write protected message when i mapped it as a drive, and word would prompt me for a user/pass every time i restarted word...  

with webdav i can make a login script and word doesnt prompt -

I think my 100 users would prefer to use on a day to day basis the explorer view of the library - eg: via a mapped drive, and the non secretarial users could use the web interface...  im just not sure how fast it will be with 60 - 100 people pulling and pushing word docs all day into sharepoint!?

Many thanks indeed Alimu

Alexis ( UK - and time to go home now! )
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yes you would need a second DNS entry for the site to use host headers, but it does get you around users having to enter a port number.

From what I've seen, the use of sharepoint's doc libraries doesn't give you quite the look you're after - you could probably create a page to give you an explorer-style view - and requires you to edit a document and then re-upload when your editing is complete (i.e. open, edit, save locally, upload).  If newly uploaded file has the same name as an existing file it will overwrite that file.

For your webdav config, I haven't actually done this myself so I don't want to send you in the wrong direction. There's a few links below (you may have seen this info before) that might give you some ideas.  WebDAV is not the fastest access mechanism and you may find it's slow no matter which way you do it.  As for WebDAV vs Sharepoint - Sharepoint uses webDAV to do it's stuff anyway.
http://www.microsoft.com/technet/community/columns/insider/iisi0304.mspx#XSLTfaqSection122124121120120
http://www.winnetmag.com/Web/Article/ArticleID/24264/24264.html
http://www.tdl.com/~jrb/jrb7/webdav.html
http://www.atarex.com/services/support/webdav-msft.shtml

The authentication pop-up that you get on starting word - unless you are using anonymous authentication, I would assume this is normal behaviour.  Your users aren't in a domain with your server so integrated logon won't work (at least not without an integrated logon prompt since the first credential transmission will transmit the users local domain credentials).  Basic authentication will always prompt the first time a session is generated between server and client.
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Thanks Alimu - you have done so much, i really appreciate that.
You say Webdav isnt the fastest way - please tell me what is if you wouldnt mind..?

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oh - it was more of a general comment in that webdav is not the fastest means of retrieval - i.e. don't expect it to perform like a network share because the likelihood is that it will be heaps slower. As for an alternative means of doing what you are doing - beats me, this is the first time I've come across anyone putting web folders in action across the internet - it's certainly nothing I've ever done but I can see why you'd like to get it working, especially if your users are comfortable with the interface (so good luck!).  We've got big hulking content management systems in place on our internet sites to handle content updating and only actively use frontpage & server extensions internally on development areas and techy knowledge base style sites.

Post implementation recommendations:
-do a metabase backup when you've finished setting up your site (right click site, backup). This has saved us a couple of times.
-make sure your IIS logging is turned on.
-look at optimising server performance: http://www.microsoft.com/technet/community/events/iis/tnt1-89.mspx has a bunch of links to info about doing this.  IIS 6 is much better at handling this itself than earlier versions, but it's probably worth doing a baseline to help you troublehsoot later down the track.
-when you get it going, do a risk analysis on what you're transmitting and perhaps look at implementing your solution over SSL just to keep your documents safe from interception. (you'll need a digital certificate for your internet site).
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you are a star, thank you so much....

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no problem, hope it helped some.

cheers,
AJ.
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