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Mac G4 tower sort-of-crashes

Posted on 2004-08-11
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This problem started happening about 3-4 weeks ago.
I have not been able to determine if it was software installed, hardware installed, etc.

This Mac G4 tower randomly will sort-of-crash - for example, last night around 11pm it happened - the screen was black when I walked over to my machine.  The monitor was not asleep, the screen was just black.
If I move the mouse, nothing happens.
BUT, after a minute or two, the screen comes back.
Now, as I move the mouse, I can see the cursor move.
However, if I click something, nothing happens - menus, windows, etc. nothing happens.
If I press the key to eject the cd after 2-3 minutes, the cd DOES eject.  Same if I press again, it closes the drive.

Eventually I just hard reboot and the machine boots back up fine, and I use it all day fine.

I have tried unplugging most of the hardware I have plugged in - usb drives, etc.
I have tried not running any applications.

This always seems to happen when I am away from the computer and it is idling, and power saver is all off.

Here is the system.log showing there was a time sync attempt earlier, then errors when this problem happened:

Aug 10 17:30:20 localhost ntpd[247]: time set -0.373952 s
Aug 10 17:30:20 localhost ntpd[247]: synchronisation lost
Aug 10 23:28:24 localhost kernel: Overflowed waiting for chip idle during removeTransferFromGARTOverflowed waiting for chip idle during removeTransferFromGART
Aug 10 23:28:30 localhost kernel: Overflowed waiting for chip idle during removeTransferFromGART
Aug 10 23:29:43 localhost kernel: Overflowed waiting for chip idle during removeTransferFromGARTOverflowed waiting for chip idle during removeTransferFromGART
Aug 10 23:30:36 localhost syslogd: restart
Aug 10 23:30:36 localhost syslogd: kernel boot file is /mach_kernel
Aug 10 23:30:36 localhost kernel: standard timeslicing quantum is 10000 us
Aug 10 23:30:36 localhost kernel: vm_page_bootstrap: 253661 free pages
Aug 10 23:30:36 localhost kernel: mig_table_max_displ = 68
Aug 10 23:30:36 localhost kernel: IOKit Component Version 7.5:
Aug 10 23:30:36 localhost kernel: Thu Aug  5 19:23:49 PDT 2004; root(rcbuilder):RELEASE_PPC/iokit/RELEASE
Aug 10 23:30:36 localhost kernel: 69 prelinked modules
Aug 10 23:30:36 localhost kernel: Copyright (c) 1982, 1986, 1989, 1991, 1993
Aug 10 23:30:36 localhost kernel: The Regents of the University of California. All rights reserved.
Aug 10 23:30:36 localhost kernel:
Aug 10 23:30:36 localhost kernel: using 2621 buffer headers and 2621 cluster IO buffer headers
Aug 10 23:30:36 localhost kernel: Adaptec78XXSCSIController: Adapter verified by HIM.
Aug 10 23:30:36 localhost kernel: Adaptec78XXSCSIController: Resetting Hardware.
Aug 10 23:30:36 localhost kernel: Local FireWire GUID = 0xa27ff:0xfe9169dc
Aug 10 23:30:36 localhost kernel: Security auditing service present
Aug 10 23:30:36 localhost kernel: BSM auditing present
Aug 10 23:30:36 localhost kernel: From path: "/pci@f2000000/@d/mac-io@7/ata-4@1f000/@0:9,\mach_kernel", Waiting on <dict ID="0"><key>IOPathMatch</key><string ID="1">IODeviceTree:/pci@f2000000/@d/mac-io@7/ata-4@1f000/@0:9</string></dict>
Aug 10 23:30:36 localhost kernel: Got boot device = IOService:/Core99PE/pci@f2000000/AppleMacRiscPCI/pci-bridge@D/IOPCI2PCIBridge/mac-io@7/AppleKeyLargo/ata-4@1f000/KeyLargoATA/ATADeviceNub@0/IOATABlockStorageDriver/IOATABlockStorageDevice/IOBlockStorageDriver/WDC WD1000BB-00CAA1 Media/IOApplePartitionScheme/Hank 100@9
Aug 10 23:30:36 localhost kernel: BSD root: disk1s9, major 14, minor 20
Aug 10 23:30:36 localhost kernel: jnl: replay_journal: from: 4795392 to: 3223040 (joffset 0xa6dfd0000)
Aug 10 23:30:38 localhost kernel: Jettisoning kernel linker.
Aug 10 23:30:38 localhost kernel: Resetting IOCatalogue.
Aug 10 23:30:38 localhost kextd[87]: registering service "com.apple.KernelExtensionServer"
Aug 10 23:30:43 localhost kernel: Matching service count = 0
Aug 10 23:30:43 localhost kernel: AppleRS232Serial:        0        0 AppleRS232Serial::start - returning false early, Connector or machine incorrect
Aug 10 23:30:43 localhost kernel: ROM ndrv for ATY,Rage128Ps is too old (0xb4a24d32)
Aug 10 23:30:43 localhost kernel: obtaining ID
Aug 10 23:30:43 localhost kernel: from Registry
Aug 10 23:30:43 localhost kernel: ATIRage128: using AGP
Aug 10 23:30:44 localhost kernel: DEC21x4: Ethernet address 00:xx:27:91:xx:xx
Aug 10 23:30:44 localhost kernel: IOFireWireIP: FireWire address 00:xx:27:ff:fe:91:xx:xx
Aug 10 23:30:44 localhost SystemStarter: Welcome to Macintosh.
Aug 10 23:30:45 localhost lookupd[128]: lookupd (version 324.2.1) starting - Tue Aug 10 23:30:45 2004
Aug 10 23:30:46 localhost diskarbitrationd[90]: disk1s9    hfs      BA3E5913-98C4-3AAC-BABC-CE332F938D41 Hank 100                /
Aug 10 23:30:47 localhost mach_init[2]: Server 0 in bootstrap d03 uid 0: "/usr/libexec/fix_prebinding": exited with non-zero status 1 [pid 146]
Aug 10 23:30:47 localhost ConsoleMessage: Starting kernel event agent
Aug 10 23:30:47 localhost ConsoleMessage: Starting Apple Multicast DNS Responder
Aug 10 23:30:47 localhost ConsoleMessage: Starting SecurityServer
Aug 10 23:30:47 localhost SystemStarter: Starting kernel event agent
Aug 10 23:30:47 localhost ConsoleMessage: Starting timed execution services
Aug 10 23:30:47 localhost ConsoleMessage: Initializing network
Aug 10 23:30:47 localhost SystemStarter: Starting Apple Multicast DNS Responder
Aug 10 23:30:48 localhost mDNSResponder[165]: mDNSResponder-58.8 (Apr 24 2004 20:38:40) starting
Aug 10 23:30:48 localhost diskarbitrationd[90]: disk2s9    hfs      6950EBEC-CEA9-3E4E-93DC-8DF15A4439BA Hank 80                 /Volumes/Hank 80
Aug 10 23:30:49 localhost SystemStarter: Starting SecurityServer
Aug 10 23:30:49 localhost SystemStarter: Starting timed execution services
Aug 10 23:30:49 localhost ConsoleMessage: Checking disks
Aug 10 23:30:49 localhost SystemStarter: Initializing network
Aug 10 23:30:49 localhost SystemStarter: Checking disks
Aug 10 23:30:51 localhost kernel: ApplePMUUserClient::setProperties WakeOnACchange 0
Aug 10 23:30:51 localhost configd[89]: en0: RTADV ignored
Aug 10 23:30:53 localhost kernel: ATY,Rage128Ps: vram [96000000:01000000]
Aug 10 23:30:53 localhost SystemStarter: The "HasShadow" window property is obsolete. Use CGSSetWindowShadowAndRimParameters(cid, wid, 0.0,0.0, 0,0, CGSNoShadowStyle) to turn off the window shadow instead. Set a break-point on CGSLogMessage to find out where this property is set.
Aug 10 23:30:54 localhost diskarbitrationd[90]: disk0s9    hfs      03050348-B0BE-3328-83A1-8AF63FADC87C Hank                    /Volumes/Hank
Aug 10 23:30:54 localhost kernel: DEC21x4: Mii100BaseTX_FD Full_Duplex MiiLink PASS
Aug 10 23:30:54 localhost configd[89]: AppleTalk startup
Aug 10 23:30:54 localhost configd[89]: executing /System/Library/SystemConfiguration/Kicker.bundle/Contents/Resources/set-hostname
Aug 10 23:30:55 localhost aksusbd[208]: loaded, daemon version: 1.6, key API (USB) version: 3.81 (CFNotification enabled)
Aug 10 23:30:55 localhost syslogd: /dev/console: Input/output error
Aug 10 23:30:55 localhost init: kernel security level changed from 0 to 1
Aug 10 23:30:55 localhost set-hostname[213]: setting hostname to Hank.local
Aug 10 23:30:56 localhost DirectoryService[218]: Launched version 1.8.2 (v257.1)
Aug 10 23:30:56 localhost loginwindow[211]: Sent launch request message to DirectoryService mach_init port
Aug 10 23:30:57 localhost configd[89]: posting notification com.apple.system.config.network_change
Aug 10 23:30:57 localhost configd[89]: executing /System/Library/SystemConfiguration/Kicker.bundle/Contents/Resources/enable-network
Aug 10 23:30:57 localhost mach_init[2]: Server 0 in bootstrap d03 uid 0: "/usr/sbin/lookupd": exited as a result of signal 1 [pid 128]
Aug 10 23:30:57 localhost configd[89]: executing /System/Library/SystemConfiguration/Kicker.bundle/Contents/Resources/set-hostname
Aug 10 23:30:58 localhost lookupd[221]: lookupd (version 324.2.1) starting - Tue Aug 10 23:30:58 2004
Aug 10 23:30:58 localhost ConsoleMessage: Starting network time synchronization
Aug 10 23:30:58 localhost ntpdate[238]: ntpdate 4.1.1@1.786 Fri Sep 12 18:30:10 PDT 2003 (1)
Aug 10 23:30:58 localhost set-hostname[247]: setting hostname to h1.private.com
Aug 10 23:30:58 localhost ntpdate[238]: step time server 17.254.0.31 offset -0.588106 sec
Aug 10 23:30:58 localhost ntpd[251]: ntpd 4.1.1@1.786 Fri Sep 12 18:30:03 PDT 2003 (1)
Aug 10 23:30:58 localhost ntpd[251]: precision = 8 usec
Aug 10 23:30:59 localhost ConsoleMessage: Loading Shared IP extension
Aug 10 23:30:59 localhost ConsoleMessage: Starting network file system
Aug 10 23:30:59 localhost ConsoleMessage: Starting SNMP server
Aug 10 23:30:59 localhost ConsoleMessage: Starting printing services
Aug 10 23:31:00 localhost automount[323]: automount version 57
Aug 10 23:31:00 localhost ConsoleMessage: Starting Qmaster services
Aug 10 23:31:00 localhost configd[89]: AppleTalk startup complete
Aug 10 23:31:01 localhost automount[333]: automount version 57
Aug 10 23:31:01 localhost tb2 host[331]: Starting.  Parent is 194, effective user is 0, real user is 0, session is 194.
Aug 10 23:31:01 localhost tb2 host[331]: Application active
Aug 10 23:31:04 localhost SystemStarter: Waiting for Network extensions
Aug 10 23:31:06 localhost ConsoleMessage: Loading IP Firewall extension
Aug 10 23:31:06 localhost SystemStarter: Loading IP Firewall extension
Aug 10 23:31:07 localhost SystemStarter: Waiting for Network extensions
Aug 10 23:31:10 localhost kernel: IP packet filtering initialized, divert enabled, rule-based forwarding enabled, default to accept, logging disabled
Aug 10 23:31:10 localhost kernel: IPv6 packet filtering initialized, default to accept, logging disabled
Aug 10 23:31:10 localhost kernel: IP firewall loaded
Aug 10 23:31:10 localhost SystemStarter: Waiting for Network extensions
Aug 10 23:31:11 localhost ConsoleMessage: Starting internet services
Aug 10 23:31:11 localhost SystemStarter: Starting internet services
Aug 10 23:31:11 localhost xinetd[355]: 355 {init_services} no services. Exiting...
Aug 10 23:31:16 localhost SystemStarter: Waiting for Printing Services
Aug 10 23:31:17 localhost tb2 host[331]: LaunchApplication(/Applications/Timbuktu Pro/Timbuktu Pro.app/Contents/SharedSupport/Timbuktu Host Menu.app)
Aug 10 23:31:19 localhost SystemStarter: Waiting for Printing Services
Aug 10 23:31:56 localhost last message repeated 11 times
Aug 10 23:31:58 localhost SystemStarter: Waiting for Printing Services
Aug 10 23:32:01 localhost SystemStarter: Startup complete.
Aug 10 23:35:57 localhost ntpd[251]: ntpd exiting on signal 15
Aug 10 23:36:02 localhost ntpdate[400]: step time server 17.254.0.31 offset -0.003723 sec
Aug 10 23:36:02 localhost ntpd[402]: ntpd 4.1.1@1.786 Fri Sep 12 18:30:03 PDT 2003 (1)
Aug 10 23:36:03 localhost ntpd[402]: precision = 8 usec
Aug 10 23:36:04 localhost ntpd[402]: ntpd exiting on signal 15
Aug 11 03:15:00 localhost CRON[429]: (root) CMD (periodic daily)
 
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by:weed
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Have you run Cocktail on it lately? If not, get it from versiontracker.com and use the Pilot section of Cocktail.
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by:SSzretter
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I tried Cocktail, pretty good utility, thanks.   It didnt help though.   I cleared up some stuff, but did not help this weird problem...
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Almost sounds like something is maxing out your CPU when it's idle. Can you run the Activity Monitor with the CPU History window open (make it BIG) when youre away from the machine? Then when you come back you can see whether something has been hitting the CPU hard.
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by:mrblackhat
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Something definately is maxing out the CPU when its idle.  Do you run AppleScripts at all?  I know sometimes the 'wait' command will consume 99% of processor.  Like weed said, check your activity monitor logs to see whats using all of that CPU.  This is a very weird problem.  If worse comes to worse, a fresh install could be a solution.  
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by:SSzretter
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Ok, to make this even more confusing:  I did two things on the machine and the problem has not happened since:
  1 - diabled network time sync
  2 - I leave activity monitor running and frontmost window.

Sooooo...  still waiting to see if the problem will happen again, but so far it has not.

Weird!
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by:SSzretter
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ok, news:

  This machine HAS in fact still been hanging, but not as often.

  This last week I went on vacation and I have been accessing the machine about once or twice a day via Timbuktu (remote desktop viewer) and the machine has been fine ALL week!!  However all I had running was Eudora (for email), and Activity Monitor.

  Today I was actually using the machine, so in addition I ran both Safari and Explorer.   I walked away from the machine for about 30 minutes, and when I came back this morning, it was hung like usual!!

  So maybe it is something to do with IE and/or Safari??
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Get IE off any OS X box. IE is a dead browser and is buggy as sin. If you need an alternative to Safari, use Mozilla.
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