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Can you start suggesting parts.

I have a 64 bit pci slot.
and room for 6 hard disks.

I will shop at newegg.


Who knows about the maxtor maxline II's with the 1 million hour MTBF rating at 100 percent duty cycle ?
that is like 21 years or so.   MTBF = Mean Time Between Failure.

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Jon here is what I use. SUN Fiber channel array 14 Disk 10K RPM 2 Gigabit optical interface. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=73331&item=5713717187&rd=1&ssPageName=WDVW here is an example add an adaptec controller card your good to go. BTW 36GB FC-AL Drives are Dirt cheep brand new.  Here just to give you an idea http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=39974&item=5116023881&rd=1&ssPageName=WDVW. Just something I use that works super and cost me next to nothing compared to what these Entiprise solutions cost new. These arrays were in the 50 Grand range 2 years ago much faster than scsi also.
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Well anyway you can get new 36GB Drives for about $30 each so that gives you half a terrabyte. Or 73GB drives for a terrabyte they also make bigger but the price gets high quick over 73GB.
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Good Deal man, You stick around... Do you hear !
I lost sciwriter, and it sucked, because we were alwayse collaborating with eachother.

Dont Go man.
.. You should chck out some of my old questions if you have time, Give you a feel for what / who I am.

-Jon
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Thanks Jon I like it here I will stick around. I have to look through your questions. Tonight I got 2 systems to do and a tropical Storm 2 hrs away LOL I gotta find a UPS around here or with my luck I will have 2 blown systems :>)
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hehe, You are worried aobut tropical stormes ?
me too ! I live on kauai.

Where are you ?

Hey, I put the two hard drives in my ssystem, do I import them ?
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Yes I posted on other question. LOL only Long Island NY Here but the remains of Charley are just starting up now. Should not be bad but the tree brenches break and blow the transformers thus blown caps in new mobos=bad for business.
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what do i need to do to make this work ?
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=73331&item=5715023563&rd=1

is this a good product ???
I want to make an array, I have about 1800 dollars to work with, and I am willing to take photos and wright the whole process down
in a "how to' format for others.

I want to make the best thing I can, time is no issue.
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what is the 'most inexpencive 1 tb array i can make ?
I am excited, about hearing about htis.
what are all the parts I need to get a killer fiber channel array ?\
how does it work with windows ?

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http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=51238&item=5714744976&rd=1 Jon you could go with something like this 22 Drives. Or 2 of the 14 Disk ones with 36GB drives. Two would be cheeper and you can get a fiber channel hub and connect them just like ethernet.
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http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=73331&item=5713717187&rd=1&ssPageName=WDVW
Like these you can but 2-4 of them and get a 4 or 8 port FC-AL Fiber Channel switch 2 Gigabit and they now have higher the switches. So I would go with 2 of these 28 36gb drives and there is your terrabyte. You will need a adaptec Fiber channel card for your server though. Still would probally cost you less then a grand or around that price.
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http://www.bytesector.com/data/bs-article.asp?ID=309 Here is a review on those maxtor drives you were talking about. But lately I have been getting back alot of maxtor drives. So I do not use them anymore only seagate and knock on wood but I have not had a bad WD HDD in about 2 years.
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so you mean to tell me, that for around 1000 bucks anyone, someone, ME, could get hooked up with a 1 tb array that is fast and reliable ?
that rocks.
Where would you suggest shopping for the drives ? and the adaptec card ? and whatever cables you need to connect them.
would it be fiber optic cables ?
I think the first step is to make a shopping list.
ill start buying things tonight.
..Gonna have to warm up the digital camera to doccument the whole process too.
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Ebay for the sun A5000 FC-AL 14 Disk array and Drives. Adaptec for the controller card. Only thing with the A5000 is it is very heave shipping will be high. Let me look one up.
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http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=11209&item=5715392938&rd=1&ssPageName=WDVW This guy has a bunch of them mabye worth a call price is high though.
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your the man !!!
You have turned me on to something that is powerfull man !
This concept about using 'old' enterprize tech for home is cool, and we will make an
'how to' tech article that will make the editors at maximum pc jealous.
this is cool and very very do-able.
I am gettin more excited just talking about it.
Thank you very very much for the links. !!!!!
looks like I will be on the phone tomorrow to ebay man.
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Check out www.XPNT.com I have not had time to update it recently but I am going to do alot of work on it soon. I have about 10 projects that need to be put in there. ,Joe
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Jon how are you making out with your raid 5 ARRAY and also the begining of the fiber channel. I started looking for 64Bit FC-AL cards for you.
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wow, that is cool man.
2 gigabits transfer to a storage array with this card.
that kicks butt.

Here is a thought I want to bounce off of you..
PCI-X Is new. Would it be a smarter move to buy the storage array first, then the server with the pci-x mobo?
is tech moving fast enough that I would notice a difference in pci-x technology in 1 more month ?
or should I just start now ?....hehehh my favorite ?
This is not a big concern anyway.
Do you have a preference for mobos with the pci-express ? do you like MSI ?
should I go with intel mobo and p4 chip ?
what do you run ?
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Hi Jon I dont think PCI-E will really benifit for a little while it needs to mature a while. Well in video cards I know they take a Small Hit over AGP 8X so PCI-X or E needs to mature.  Just my opinion though.
I do not like MSI LOL I just got 2 dead MSI boards just beacuse they were on sale and I needed a 865P Board I only buy ASUS ,ABIT,TYAN,Supermicro usually.
Alot of people do though just not me. Let me play with this new Intel Refrence board I have here and I will get back to you. ,Joe
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Jon for less than 1800 we can build a killer Fiber channel 1TB array and make it run on firer optic cables and cards. they have a copper version also but i like the fiber. Also you can locate the array miles away LOL if you had to.;
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ok,
Should I start a new fourm for it ?
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hey, on a different kind of array.
how do you see this comparing ?


 3ware 64-bit PCI to SATA RAID Controller Card, Model "Escalade 8506-8" -RETAIL  
Item# N82E16816116023
 Save to Buy Later  
  $499.00  
   
 
 Maxtor 200GB 7200RPM SATA Hard Drive, Model 6Y200M0, OEM Drive Only  
Item# N82E16822144324
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  $125.99  
 X8
 $1,007.92  
 
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 Product total:  $1,506.92
 

http://www.ibeast.com/content/tools/RaidCalc/RaidCalc.asp

According to this, (8)X 200 GB Drives = 1.4 TB


But it is probably way way slower, because scsi supports concurrent reads and wrights, and they are just faster.
and also the coolness of a 2GB connection to the array is way way cooler.
but I just thought I would throw that out there, because it is in the same price range and others would just as easily see it as a
solution before they might even consider the enterprize level stuff. ... wich is unfortunate,... and we can 'show them the way' ..
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Thats a tough one I really like SATA Also. But if you want a really cool project the Fiber Channel is the way to go. Not easy to do either but not hard just requires alot of learning. WOW how did this page get so wide lol or is just me.
Take a look what Nvidia uses LOL look familiar http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=1711&p=4
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Kick ass Man!
I Love SUN.
that is the route to go.
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Hi jon how is it going have you spoke to anyone on hardware costs ETC let me know.
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Im Going to make  a new one.
see you all there.
i will call it
"The Making of a 1+ TB ARRAY for 2 grand"
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AH sounds good to me. MP's HUH you know Mobiles run in those boards also they run like mad 2.5GHZ MP's anyone.
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