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I will try to be as clear as possible.

IE6 in 2000  or XP

Web site has a link to a .WAV file.  When user clicks on file it transfers the file and opens it in media player.

Now - if user has added other players (media player, real, quick, winamp, etc) of course the file will open in those apps.

Here is the catch  - if the user now wishes to use Brand X player (a very basic unobtrusive product) that they just installed to open these files when clicked on more than likely the wave file will open in one of the other programs.

I have tried file associations edit, deleting wav associations and creating new  (both pointing to open with Brand X player)
to no avail.
I have tried uninstalling real, quick, winamp, and re associating with Brand X player to no avail.

Please note - after I have checked/changed file associations  a wave file on the LOCAL machine will open in Brand X player.  Wave files clicked on the web site will not - it will probably open in sound player/recorder, media player etc.

I do know this is an Ie/Windows configuration  problem, as on my personal systems it works fine - BUT i dont clutter my system with the real, quick, winamp players.

WHAT IS A SURE FIRE METHOD TO MAKE AN FILETYPE IN IE UTILIZE A SPECIFIC APPLICATION installed at a later date?

We have designed the web site and are recommending Brand X player to our users, but I know we are going to run into this question at out tech support desks.  We are going live today and just discovered this problem.


I thank you in advance.
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by:humeniuk
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You can associate a file type with a certain application on your own system, but if you want to open it within IE or through IE (rather than downloading and opening from your hard drive), you need to have an IE plug-in for that application.  So, does Brand X Player have an IE plugin?  The user or user's browser will ultimately decide what application to open the wav file with from among the available options.  Its an easy choice with a WMV file or real media file, but not with a generic file type like a wav or mp3.
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by:sdstuckey
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No.  Brand X does not have a 'plug-in'.

The interesting thing is, if I eliminate all of Microsoft (and other players that open wavs)  THEN IE will pass (or cause) Brand X player to open the file.

So the plug in theory does not float well, unless there is a default 'plug in' that then route everything to file type rules...

There must be somewhere that this configuration is changed and directed...
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by:humeniuk
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Hm . . . good point.  I was thinking about media playing in the IE window.

The only solutions I can come up with relate to the local machine and you've already tried that, right?  So they probably won't work either.

(Just in case - to associate a file type with a specific application:  Start -> Run -> type 'explorer.exe' and click OK.  In the explorer window, select Tools -> Folder Options and click the File Types tab.  Find the extension of the type - wav - you're looking for (you can just type wav to find it faster than scrolling).  You can then select the Brand X Player application from a list of installed applications.)
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by:Asta Cu
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The best way I know to update this in your situation is to find a *.wav file installed on the system, then once highlighted, choose "OPEN WITH", then navigate to the program of choice and be sure to check the option"always choose this program to open this file type" or something of that order, and close/reboot and should then always choose the newly assigned program for that file type.
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by:Asta Cu
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Open with options happens when once highlights you "right click" for the submenu which presents you with the OPEN WITH option to take the above action.
Works for me every time.
Good luck,
Asta
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by:sdstuckey
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Thank you astaeec and humeniuk for your input -

But as I mentioned  - file associations on the local machine are fine.  

If I point to a wave file on my desktop (or wherever) Brand X player will work.

Its in Internet Explorer - when there is a link to a .wav file   (that is OPENED via a click) that it  fails and tries to open in media playere or quick, or real etc...

Hence while your ideas do, in fact, work for assigning filetypes to Brand X - they do not adadress the issue of IE not allowing that to function, or forcing IE to use an app for a filetype.


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by:Asta Cu
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Wish I had the answer here, it's a baffler, to say the least.  Thought maybe checking preferences in the Media Bar may help or active desktop if used, but not likely.  (Shot in the dark, so to speak)
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;303492&Product=ie600

http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;304839&Product=ie600

Or if the audio files are streaming audio, are protected and another issue still.  Hmmmm will keep the old thinking cap on.

Netscape-Style Plug-ins Do Not Work After Upgrading Internet Explorer (includes some MSDN links); hope it adds some insight
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;303401&Product=ie600

I'm really amazed at how little information exists out there or at MS about the IE interface and alternate player assocations.

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by:sdstuckey
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ALthough this question was not answered  - and administration of EE classified this as abandondoned  ( I classify it as unanswered and EE did not meet their Guaranteed results)  I am giving credit to asatec for his tenacity and honesty.

I have reposted using different verbage in the OS area.  Thank you asatec.
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by:Asta Cu
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I will check this out as quickly as I can today and ask that the Moderator edit this and remove the confidential information quickly.  Perhaps the jscript.dll needs to be reregistered/updated, but will check asap and advise anything I find in terms of potential solution.  
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by:Venabili
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sdstuckey,

A few things:
1. You had left a comment without answer. Any expert that opens this question see this and they will never post. Because they are not sure if you are around and if you care for this question. Please make sure that in the future you answer to the experts - so when the next expert opens the thread, they to know that you do care

2. You may want to read the help page. If a question has no activity for more than 21 days, it is considered abandoned. And a Cleanup Volunteer comes and makes recommendation. You can always object it and if you need more help the question may remain open - but if you had not posted a line in the last 21 days, there is no way to know if you need it. Abandoned questions are real trouble here in EE. And we try to close them as soon as we track them.

Hope you will find your answer here. Do you want to reopen your question so the other experts can see it? Also - you may post a 20 points question in this area with link to this one to attract the experts.

Venabili
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by:Asta Cu
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Venabili:  Please remove this confidential information above; am still working with the Asker on this and Asker has been very responsive and finalized this with a C.  Also sent this request to edit out confidential info to COBOLdinsosaur in case you can't edit this directly via email this morning.

sdstuckey:  Can't access the site with the userID or password, keeps saying You have either not logged in, or your session has timed out. ... so can't test.

However, after closing all browser windows (running XP SP2 with IE 6 SP2 can log in.... checking out further and back soon.
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by:Asta Cu
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I ran the test and selected that WAV file and it worked flawlessly, immediately opened Microsoft Media Player to play the .WAV file, which is the file type default program handling all .WAV files.
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by:Asta Cu
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I will research a bit further to see how many programs can be added to the file type controls for .wav handling and open command; my suspicion is that the Open With should allow controls to more than one program which would create a pull down and select for end user options to handle each time a .wav file is there; but may also require modifications to the players options as well as IE plugins.  Tough one.
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I deleted the whole comment as it is not adding anything except the confidential data.

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Thanks a bunch...

As a potential workaround, until we can find a viable solution, thought perhaps modifying the .wav files to .wma and then assigning one to one player for control and the other mirror image under file type options to another player "may" be viable.  Or having both formats; or perhaps .mp3 but at any rate, would be a potential.  Within XP/IE the play all incites/initiates all player assignments to the file types as noted here:
Multiple Programs Start If You Use the Play All Command in the My Music Folder with Different File Associations
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;311428
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by:Asta Cu
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To clarify; if the same music is created as .mp3 and .wav and .wma then each can have it's own Player assigned to that file type to open and add some workaround flexibility.  Haven't found any other alternatives at this point and need to get back to work.

If this information is useful and you find it suitable as an interim solution, great.  We can ask Venabili to change the grade from C  to B or A (if you agree) to then reflect its worth en toto in the PAQ.

Thanks, back to work for me.
Asta
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I am still working with sdstuckey as are others on the W2000 Q trying to resolve this very complicated issue.  It could well have been placed in other TAs, programming included, because there is no solution yet on any of the platforms impacted.  Although the verbiage is similar, the issue/roadblock permeates many environments and has been a tough one for any of to help resolve.  

In my humble opinion, sometimes the 500 pt question limit on a per question basis should apply if it is only one problem in one operating system or one environment, which this isn't.  BUT, if you feel that I am incorrect and want to refund these 500 points completely to sdstuckey and remove points from me, that's what you do.  If that is the decision made, then just delete this entire thing, if sdstuckey agrees.  But let me copy the text first so we don't lose valuable troublehooting processes and history.

This has been one of the most difficult issues I've seen to try and resolve.

Asta
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The other option, again, if what I've said makes no sense would be to change this one to 250 and the other in W2K to 250 (again if sdstuckey agrees) refunding a total of 500 points to him.  I've seen many such questions posted throughout TAs if an issue is not limited to one environment and to me, that makes sense.   So I guess many don't understand this, other experts and myself included.
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Thanks, will do.  I hope that you leave as things are as courtesy to sdstuckey, so that he is aware of what has transpired here.  At least a day or two, if you can, please.
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by:sdstuckey
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In my humble opinion, I would like to leave it as it is - as this is a multi area question (OS and/or Browser) - it may turn out that it takes a combination of answers, and I wiuld lke to award the full amount to each to get it solved.
This issue has cost me bundles of dollars so far (lets just say I've spent less getting body work on my totalled car...)  500 points to each user that provides a portion of the solution is the LEAST I can provide.
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by:Asta Cu
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Your input is very much appreciated, sdstuckey, and the Administrator here is monitoring this question so I do hope your explanation is deemed to be a valid exception request.  

Perhaps, if OKd by Administration, we can reopen this question in this Topic Area and remove my points so that other Experts versed in these issues can find it quickly and easily and step in to help further.

As you know, I'm still deeply involved and tenacious on this pursuit, I want to help you resolve this.  Especially knowing the amount of time you've spent on this issue.  I'm a little hopeful on the plug-in - ActiveX possibilities here, but just not that skilled in the programming area (yet).

":0) Asta
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by:Asta Cu
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I also thought the last link was very promising when this was noted:
OpenWithList. This subkey contains one or more application keys for applications to appear in the Open With dialog box entry for the file type.
The general form of a file extension key is then:

HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT
.ext
(Default) = ProgID.ext.1 (REG_SZ)
PerceivedType= PerceivedType (REG_SZ)
Content Type= mime content type (REG_SZ)
OpenWithProgids
ProgID2.ext.1
ProgID3.ext.1
OpenWithList
AlternateProgram1.exe
AlternateProgram2.exe
ProgID.ext.1
shellnew

Thanks, Lunchy.  Hope it helps.
Asta
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I'm sorry to see that we haven't found a solution for you and would not mind at all if you'd like to have this question refunded and my points removed.  I just don't know any other options to resolve this.
Asta
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by:Asta Cu
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I've talked with a number of other Experts about this issue; and they feel that the only solutions or workarounds have been posted in the two questions involved.   The general consensus has been that "You can't have it both ways either the user controls activity or the server does.  Code on the page is not the user's and only the user can do what they need done".

I just have not been successful on finding any alternatives or workarounds, despite my efforts; scouring the many links and using google and other 'possibilities' in search queries .... just no luck.

Sorry,
Asta
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by:sdstuckey
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Asta:  

Thank you for your efforts, and please forgive my ignorance.  But I am intrigued by your last comment...

    either the user controls activity or the server does.

I want the user to control what happens.  I want the user to be able to control what application is opened...  seems soooo simple. Oh well. I did learn alot here between you and Lunchy.

Even though  there is no solution - I feel I owe the points to those that provided me the most information and if anything for the efforts.
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by:Asta Cu
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I shared what I learned and I do mean "learned" because that has been my experience in this process.  I asked so many other experts for guidance and help and reiterated what I learned in many respects.  It isn't you who is ignorant here on this issue, it was I; given the amount of research I had to do to find even slight workarounds.  

I'd sure be inclined to talk to the Administrators (decision makers) of the places I serve to see if they can't recommend a standard player dedicated to .wav file controls and any other player for other file types of they choose.  Standards make everyone's life easier; imagining back up situations when others take over and so on.  It has some selling points AND Media Player is free and always updated with security patches and accompanies Windows.  It may take a little 'selling', but in the end,
'standards' in terms of environment and support make real business sense.  It sure would get you out of this quandary.

Best wishes,
Asta
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Closed, 500 points refunded.  Since the issue was resolved to some degree in the other question, I figure we'll just PAQ this in case it has some value to those with similar problems.

Lunchy
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Giving up my points here feels OK.  Thanks; tried but there just is no solution here other than the thoughts I provided and collected from a full gamut of attempts and other Expert input.

Asta
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by:Asta Cu
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HOWEVER, to sdstuckey.... I truly hope my recommendations can come to fruition for not only you, but those you support to make life easier in the future.  Having been in the computing and business world for more than 40 years, and many of them in marketing and technology, I've come to realize that the decision makers don't always get involved to make their business environment more manageable and it takes those who are "in the know" to sell them on workarounds, vs. bumping heads against the wall.

":0)  Best wishes to you.
Asta
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