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Win2k3 Advanced Server Enterprise 6 mo trial ----> Win2k3 Server Std. problem. Can I copy domain(users, permissions, settings etc....) over to the standard(permanent version).

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I have win2k3 advanced server enterprise 6 month trial version installed on my Departments server. The dept wants to go with the cheapest route to set up a permenent server here so win2k3 server std. will work I think.

Is there anyway to copy over a domain(users, permissions, settings etc....) to the new server and will they have alot of the same options regarding active directory?

I just want to know if active directory will be exactely the same to setup on the win2k3 standard edition.
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AD is the same. The ony differences are in the hardware support.
If you have two servers then it is quite easy - just join the new server to the existing domain. DCPROMO it in. After waiting a couple of hours for all data to replicate, DCPROMO the other machine out, reboot, drop in to a workgroup and shutdown.
If you want to put this Std on to the same machine, get hold of an old machine or even a demo copy of VMWARE and install a temporary install of Std on to it. Don't activate it. Repeat as above. Once shutdown rebuild the other machine and then reverse the process for the VMWARE server.

Simon.
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The server has two HD's on it with 4 partitions. The active server OS is on D:\ and the HD I was going to install the win2k3 standard on was HD C:\.

This starts my older question about making d:\ bootable since all the boot.ini, ntdetect.com, etc.... is on C:\ and I need it on D:\, especially for this situation.

Someone was telling me that I could simply do a repair install and it will keep all the old settings for the domain but I don't buy it.

So to do like you are talking about I need to make my d:\ bootable. Please tell me how.
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The simpliest way is to use a second machine. Don't try to do it all on one machine.
Once the domain is on the second machine you can wipe the original (following the procedure above) and build fresh with your purchased CD. That way you will have a clean machine.
Even when I do disaster recovery, one of the first things I am planning is when I can get a clean build in to replace the recovered machine. I don't like servers to be work arounds. Clean and stable.

Simon.
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Also wanted to add here is my old unanswered question.

http://www.experts-exchange.com/Operating_Systems/Windows_Server_2003/Q_21102330.html

To answer my second question I need to figure this one out.

The reason why it will work is because the computers in this cluster(server included) are identical so if I reinstall std. on one of the cluster computers(with c:\ from the server) and do the dcpromo to it then after it is done I can move that HD( server c:\) back to the main server.

First I need to make d:\ bootable and make it c:\ temporarily.
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Yes I need to use a second machine, I agree as the easiest way but first I need to make my d:\ bootable with ntdetect.com, boot.ini etc....

d:\ has none of these boot drive files and when I copied them to it still does not boot even after boot.ini is setup right.
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If you have a machine that is booting correctly - why do you need to do any other fiddling around?

Simon.
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"If you have a machine that is booting correctly - why do you need to do any other fiddling around?

Simon."

There are 2 80GB HD's in this server.

The HD with the properly configured Server OS is HD D:\ while the HD with the mbr and boot.ini are on C:\.

So I need to get D:\ to boot without the first HD in it.

I am not sure if you have ran into this problem when you dual boot, have you?

If you dual boot a system win2k, winXP on seperate HD's or partitions the mbr and boot.ini as also the ntdetect.com etc..... is all saved onto the first partition of IDE 0 or whatever IDE (1,2,3 etc...) the first OS was installed onto.

I need to take out my D:\ drive (HD 2, IDE 1) and put it into one of the cluster machines and do a install onto c:\ drive (HD 1) like you are saying.

This server is dual booting 2 win2k3's. The first one on c:\ (HD 1, IDE 0)got kinda hosed so I installed win2k3 onto drive D:\ (HD 2, IDE 1) without disabling the first HD so it put all of the boot info onto c:\ for my dual booted second installation of win2k3.

This was my mistake but I didn't catch it until I wanted to ghost my server on d:\ to c:\.

In the end I want to use one of the HD's as a ghosted backup once I get it completely configured with standard. I am also going to take a 10gb HD and ghost the server OS onto that one too just incase the whole server goes down.

The 10GB HD will remain in a locked cabinet awaiting the day the system goes down.

If that happens I can take any of the 9 computers in this cluster and turn it into a server in a matter of minutes by swapping the HD and changing its mac address. Everything else in the systems is identical except the mac addresses and video cards.
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Okay folks I now have the boot HD problem figured out. Now I will have to try what you guys said to copy over the OU etc....

That won't be for a couple days though. My dept has to order the software.
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I have a couple books from MS on AD and win2k3 but maybe you guys could walk me through getting the AD data from one machine to the other. Is there a backup file I can use simply to restore the domain on the new server?

I am not understanding how I can dcpromo the new AD in?
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Build the new server with the old one running. You need to have DNS server installed.
Make it a member server of the existing domain.

Start, Run, type dcpromo
Follow the wizard to add to an existing domain. The data will transfer across.
Leave it overnight to ensure everything has replicated.

Make the machine a GC, and move the roles across to the new machine.
Again once you are sure it is doing everything, run dcpromo on the old machine to drop it from being a domain controller.
Reboot when prompted.
When back, drop in to a workgroup to remove from the domain correctly and shutdown.

Simon.
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Okay I just built the new server onto the other 80GB HD in a different machine with identical hardware. I have not installed the AD yet but what does GC stand for?

Will I have a problem moving the HD back into the old server box with identical hardware. One problem would be possibly the static IP in connection with the machines mac address.

I guess I could switch NIC's but all the clients are set with a static IP to the original server.

In general unless something goes majorly wrong the IP will stay with the mac address campus wide on their network.
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Well everything is wonderful except when I try to rename my new server to the old servers name it will not let me. I have alot of profiles looking for the old server.
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No everything is not wonderful now. The usernames were there but the profiles have not been carried over. All my settings are null and void. I will have to reset every thing by hand and basically start over. I brought the shared profile and home folder into the new server but it is bypassing all that. It is applying my group policy settings which was very little and would take 5 minutes to configure. The hard part will be applying the background and configuring winexit screen saver for each person.

Maybe you can tell me how to apply the same background accross a domain and to apply the same winexit screen saver settings also across it?

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The problem is when I went to copy the users profiles over it didn't give me proper privelges or permissions.

How can I override this?
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All the user profiles got toasted in the process. I will be one crabby person tommorow after tonight.
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winexit screensaver is very easy. Use a login script to copy it to all machines (if not already) then force it on through group policy. GP will let you set the screensaver name, timeout and whether it is password protection or not.

GP will do most of what roaming user profiles would achieve. One client has a very mobile user base, yet they can sit at any machine and have the same settings - all through GP.
If you are stuck with roaming profiles, then adjust GP so that administrators are added to the permissions. Then as long as you are moving them in the same domain, and both machines are NTFS the permissions should come across with them.
You will also need to adjust the location in ADUC for the users to point the domain at the new location.
This is where the DFS technology comes in useful as you can put the actual content in a new place without having to adjust all the users as they are looking at the FDS path.

Simon.
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