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Yellow exclamation mark in Device Manager IDE Controller. Win98 won't recognize CD ROM drive.
I have reformatted my Hard Drive but when I reloaded win98se my "standard Bus Mastering IDE Hard Drive controller" shows a problem in Device Manager. I have re-booted, re-installed the driver and removed and re-installed the controller. No help and No CD ROM recognized. I can use the CD rom in DOS mode so I know that it works. Computer is an older IBM TP w/ teac CD ROM. I am a novice here too folks!
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Hi BillDL;
Wow, Really nice cases! Wish that I had that skill but as a carpenter versus a cabinet-maker it would be like comparing what YOU do to what a computer operator does! I can frame a house or re-model one but that really fine work takes a highly skilled and committed craftsman. Not I !!
You sent me lots of reading and research to go through and I've chipped away at it understanding a fairly good amount of it. Not sure that it was exactly what I nee though. Still a yellow exclamation point in the IDE Controller and no CD Drive recognized.
The webpage that searches for necessary driver updates apparently doesn't like Win98!!Doesn't want to co operate w/ me and search! Mean Microsoft!
Not wanting to just sit idle and .... To that end, I borrowed my grand daughters 365XD ThinkPad (exactly like the two that I have here) - (Guess we're an antique family) and pulled her drive, placed it into both of my laptops and both had CD Drives recognized and neither had the "dreaded yellow !" on the IDE Controller. Problem must be on the CD that I used to load the program (only one that I have too) on the reformatted drives. Could there be a "switch" or something similiar that is incorrectly set when I downloaded? Perhaps something in the registry on config.sys setup, autoexec.bat or that CMOS thingy? Problem is, I have no idea what's right or wrong nor how to decipher those (in greek/"geek"codes). I can do most of the hardware install stuff but the coding intracies befuddle me!
Both of my "ailing" 365s have Teac CD 44E (4x) drives also, not CD-46Es (?) if that matters. My grand daughters is a CD-44E also.
[You asked]: "What does it say in your CMOS Setup Screen about the settings for your CD-Rom?
Try changing them and see what happens?" What is a CMOS Setup Screen and how do I locate it and best of all, change it to what? Sorry, carpenter you know!
Regards and thank you for your patience, Bill
Wow, Really nice cases! Wish that I had that skill but as a carpenter versus a cabinet-maker it would be like comparing what YOU do to what a computer operator does! I can frame a house or re-model one but that really fine work takes a highly skilled and committed craftsman. Not I !!
You sent me lots of reading and research to go through and I've chipped away at it understanding a fairly good amount of it. Not sure that it was exactly what I nee though. Still a yellow exclamation point in the IDE Controller and no CD Drive recognized.
The webpage that searches for necessary driver updates apparently doesn't like Win98!!Doesn't want to co operate w/ me and search! Mean Microsoft!
Not wanting to just sit idle and .... To that end, I borrowed my grand daughters 365XD ThinkPad (exactly like the two that I have here) - (Guess we're an antique family) and pulled her drive, placed it into both of my laptops and both had CD Drives recognized and neither had the "dreaded yellow !" on the IDE Controller. Problem must be on the CD that I used to load the program (only one that I have too) on the reformatted drives. Could there be a "switch" or something similiar that is incorrectly set when I downloaded? Perhaps something in the registry on config.sys setup, autoexec.bat or that CMOS thingy? Problem is, I have no idea what's right or wrong nor how to decipher those (in greek/"geek"codes). I can do most of the hardware install stuff but the coding intracies befuddle me!
Both of my "ailing" 365s have Teac CD 44E (4x) drives also, not CD-46Es (?) if that matters. My grand daughters is a CD-44E also.
[You asked]: "What does it say in your CMOS Setup Screen about the settings for your CD-Rom?
Try changing them and see what happens?" What is a CMOS Setup Screen and how do I locate it and best of all, change it to what? Sorry, carpenter you know!
Regards and thank you for your patience, Bill
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Hi caza13! Never had to install a patch beore. Not the first time that I reformatted and re=loaded Win98 euther. Just gets weider and weider. I am going to try ghosting my grand daughters HDD onto one of my drives and just for the heck of it see what happens. Just bought Norton Ghost 9.0 and will try that tomorrow morning Nre York time. I'll post the results then and kep my fingers crossed (legs to I guess!). 'Til then, Thanx guys, Bill
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Howdy BillDL, CyberMatrix & friends!
(BillDL) - I haven't been able to get into anything called CMOS Setup Utility but I did find the BIOS page. Tried "mashing" each and every and all of those keys and the only success I had was "F1" which got me into TP Diagnostics and Bios. Can't change antything in the BIOS so I ran the diagnostics, all was o'kay and I got out.
(CyberMatrix) - MSCDEX is in the config file and when I dbl click it a DOS window opens and says that it's "already running"? Doesn't say in DOS or WINDOWS, just "running".???
I did the following in hopes that it might give you guys an idea as to where my issue lies. It may seem wacky to you but, remember, a carpenters logic here!
Please keep this in mind as you read:
Both laptops are as identical as this:
Both are IBM Thinkpads Model # 2625-DEF
Both are 120/60 MHz
Both have 40 MB EDO RAM
Both Bios setups are Identical and were done on the same day from IBM Website (verified again today).
Both hard drives are 2.01 GB by Fujitsu
Both Hard drives were FDISK’d, partitions were removed and formatted FAT32 @ 100%
Both Hard Drives passed integrity tests and neither had bad sectors
Hard Drives were ghosted using Symantec Ghost 9.0 (one after the other) from the same “mother” HDD that had no data on it, only programs.
Lets refer to them as Laptop “A” and Laptop “B”, it may be less confusing. "A" being "good" and "B" being "troubled"!
I installed the newly ghosted hard drive into these laptops side by side and booted them up.
Laptop “A” - Booted normally, no issues no problems. Device manager shows no issues no problems! CD ROM is recognized in Device Manager and CD ROM drive works. “Standard Bus mastering IDE Controller shows no problems!
Laptop “B” - Booted normally but when I open Device Manager it doesn’t show a CD ROM Drive at all and the “Standard Bus Mastering IDE Controller” shows the yellow exclamation mark in it!
I then went to “My Computer Properties / Performance;
Laptop “A” shows 90% performance and no other issues.
Laptop “B” on the other hand also shows 90% performance but, under “File System” it states that “All Drives are using MS-DOS compatibility Mode” and the “Virtual Memory” states “MS-DOS compatibility mode” also.
There is a box just under these headings and in there are two entries. Entry one states “Compatibility-Mode paging reduces overall performance” and entry two says “Master Boot Record modified. See the important details in Help.
I went to the details and got this
Compatibility mode paging reduces overall system performance.
Windows was unable to identify a real-mode driver or memory-resident program loaded
in your Config.sys or Autoexec.bat file. You will see another message that lists the
name of the driver or program causing the problem.
Because Windows could not identify the driver or program, it has switched to MS-DOS
compatibility mode to ensure the program will run. However, this decreases overall performance. To improve performance, remove the program or driver causing the problem, or contact its manufacturer for an upgraded version.
Master boot record has been modified.
The master boot record has been modified by some program.
This may be caused by disk manager software used to add large hard disk drives to older
computers, or encryption or other security software. It may also be caused by a virus on
your computer. If you do not have disk-management or security software installed, scan
you computer for viruses.
Important
Viruses can cause data loss. Check all the disks on your computer immediately for a
virus by using any virus-checking software.
I ran an updated virus scan, no viruses!
Finally, I went to the MS-DOS prompts on both computers, side by side and here it gets REALLY interesting!!
Remember, ghosted drives, same original, here is what MS-DOS revealed:
In C:\WINDOWS (both);
Laptop “A” (the one that works) – 209 Files with 56,236,305 bytes used.
Laptop “B” (the “bad” one) – 210 FILES with 39,460,345 Bytes Used!!!!
Isn’t that amazing!
Laptop “B” has an extra file called IOS.LOG with 1,101 bytes.
Laptop “A” doesn’t have that file at all, although .........
Laptop “B”, in File WIN386 has 46,137,344 Bytes used and
Laptop “A” uses 29,360,354 Bytes in the same file!!
Does any of this raise any kind of a flag for my problem?
Hope t's not driving you guys "Nuts" like it is me!
Thanx a gigabyte!, Bill
(BillDL) - I haven't been able to get into anything called CMOS Setup Utility but I did find the BIOS page. Tried "mashing" each and every and all of those keys and the only success I had was "F1" which got me into TP Diagnostics and Bios. Can't change antything in the BIOS so I ran the diagnostics, all was o'kay and I got out.
(CyberMatrix) - MSCDEX is in the config file and when I dbl click it a DOS window opens and says that it's "already running"? Doesn't say in DOS or WINDOWS, just "running".???
I did the following in hopes that it might give you guys an idea as to where my issue lies. It may seem wacky to you but, remember, a carpenters logic here!
Please keep this in mind as you read:
Both laptops are as identical as this:
Both are IBM Thinkpads Model # 2625-DEF
Both are 120/60 MHz
Both have 40 MB EDO RAM
Both Bios setups are Identical and were done on the same day from IBM Website (verified again today).
Both hard drives are 2.01 GB by Fujitsu
Both Hard drives were FDISK’d, partitions were removed and formatted FAT32 @ 100%
Both Hard Drives passed integrity tests and neither had bad sectors
Hard Drives were ghosted using Symantec Ghost 9.0 (one after the other) from the same “mother” HDD that had no data on it, only programs.
Lets refer to them as Laptop “A” and Laptop “B”, it may be less confusing. "A" being "good" and "B" being "troubled"!
I installed the newly ghosted hard drive into these laptops side by side and booted them up.
Laptop “A” - Booted normally, no issues no problems. Device manager shows no issues no problems! CD ROM is recognized in Device Manager and CD ROM drive works. “Standard Bus mastering IDE Controller shows no problems!
Laptop “B” - Booted normally but when I open Device Manager it doesn’t show a CD ROM Drive at all and the “Standard Bus Mastering IDE Controller” shows the yellow exclamation mark in it!
I then went to “My Computer Properties / Performance;
Laptop “A” shows 90% performance and no other issues.
Laptop “B” on the other hand also shows 90% performance but, under “File System” it states that “All Drives are using MS-DOS compatibility Mode” and the “Virtual Memory” states “MS-DOS compatibility mode” also.
There is a box just under these headings and in there are two entries. Entry one states “Compatibility-Mode paging reduces overall performance” and entry two says “Master Boot Record modified. See the important details in Help.
I went to the details and got this
Compatibility mode paging reduces overall system performance.
Windows was unable to identify a real-mode driver or memory-resident program loaded
in your Config.sys or Autoexec.bat file. You will see another message that lists the
name of the driver or program causing the problem.
Because Windows could not identify the driver or program, it has switched to MS-DOS
compatibility mode to ensure the program will run. However, this decreases overall performance. To improve performance, remove the program or driver causing the problem, or contact its manufacturer for an upgraded version.
Master boot record has been modified.
The master boot record has been modified by some program.
This may be caused by disk manager software used to add large hard disk drives to older
computers, or encryption or other security software. It may also be caused by a virus on
your computer. If you do not have disk-management or security software installed, scan
you computer for viruses.
Important
Viruses can cause data loss. Check all the disks on your computer immediately for a
virus by using any virus-checking software.
I ran an updated virus scan, no viruses!
Finally, I went to the MS-DOS prompts on both computers, side by side and here it gets REALLY interesting!!
Remember, ghosted drives, same original, here is what MS-DOS revealed:
In C:\WINDOWS (both);
Laptop “A” (the one that works) – 209 Files with 56,236,305 bytes used.
Laptop “B” (the “bad” one) – 210 FILES with 39,460,345 Bytes Used!!!!
Isn’t that amazing!
Laptop “B” has an extra file called IOS.LOG with 1,101 bytes.
Laptop “A” doesn’t have that file at all, although .........
Laptop “B”, in File WIN386 has 46,137,344 Bytes used and
Laptop “A” uses 29,360,354 Bytes in the same file!!
Does any of this raise any kind of a flag for my problem?
Hope t's not driving you guys "Nuts" like it is me!
Thanx a gigabyte!, Bill
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Morning Folks!
All of you sure kept me hopping with all of these great ideas! Unfortunately, although I cannot say that all of them didn't work, I can say that all of the ones that I understood and could do as a novice did not solve this pain-in-the-____ problem.
Frustrated, (and not the type to quit), I went out and purchased one new 3.2GB hard drive, FDISK'd it, Scandisked it, formatted it and ghosted it like the other two and BAM!, problem just vanished! Now I'm even more confused then ever!
I've switched this new drive back and forth and whichever computer that its in works fine. One of the other two drives, same thing, works great, the third drive is the culprit and I don't for the life of me understand why but ..... I'll sell it to an enemy and that'll make me feel a modicum better anyway! ;-] (kidding)
The two drives that I had originally been using and referred to in my last thread were identical drives, identical P/Ns, identical sizes (GBs), identical # cyclindres and heads, they were clones of one another and I had scanned them and everything too! I can't explain it and I'll bet that you can't either. Just another intrinsic computer twitch that makes you smack your brow and raise your eyelids in dis-belief I guess! I like the certainty of carpenter work much better. If a board is too short, it's too short, simple, straight-forward and fully understandable!
Being brand new to EE, what do I do now besides saying a deep felt thankyou to all of you for your concern and assistance?
I've gained a new respect for what you folks do and don't envy your probable frustrations from time to time.
Please let me know my next step, Regards, Bill
All of you sure kept me hopping with all of these great ideas! Unfortunately, although I cannot say that all of them didn't work, I can say that all of the ones that I understood and could do as a novice did not solve this pain-in-the-____ problem.
Frustrated, (and not the type to quit), I went out and purchased one new 3.2GB hard drive, FDISK'd it, Scandisked it, formatted it and ghosted it like the other two and BAM!, problem just vanished! Now I'm even more confused then ever!
I've switched this new drive back and forth and whichever computer that its in works fine. One of the other two drives, same thing, works great, the third drive is the culprit and I don't for the life of me understand why but ..... I'll sell it to an enemy and that'll make me feel a modicum better anyway! ;-] (kidding)
The two drives that I had originally been using and referred to in my last thread were identical drives, identical P/Ns, identical sizes (GBs), identical # cyclindres and heads, they were clones of one another and I had scanned them and everything too! I can't explain it and I'll bet that you can't either. Just another intrinsic computer twitch that makes you smack your brow and raise your eyelids in dis-belief I guess! I like the certainty of carpenter work much better. If a board is too short, it's too short, simple, straight-forward and fully understandable!
Being brand new to EE, what do I do now besides saying a deep felt thankyou to all of you for your concern and assistance?
I've gained a new respect for what you folks do and don't envy your probable frustrations from time to time.
Please let me know my next step, Regards, Bill
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Thank all of you folks!!!
It was an enjoyable experience and I learned some things which, at my age, is a good thing. It's kind of strange you know, I would come back to this site at anytime I needed assistance but I hope that I never have to! Know what I mean?
Best to all of you folks, you provide a much needed service and you do it very well!
Bill
It was an enjoyable experience and I learned some things which, at my age, is a good thing. It's kind of strange you know, I would come back to this site at anytime I needed assistance but I hope that I never have to! Know what I mean?
Best to all of you folks, you provide a much needed service and you do it very well!
Bill
The pleasure was ours. As you say, carpenting may be straightforward - but you must, like us, be puzzled and intrigued by the problems of your trade - as this problem poses a challenge to us.
We get our satisfaction by solving things that are 'Chinese' to others ;)
Oh, about your HDD: it may very well just have died. If it still puzzles you why it died, maybe you can bring it in with some PC repair shop or some guy that just knows a lot about PC hardware.
And, you may give this to your worst enemy thinking it will drive him nuts, I think the people that replied here would be more than glad to get that disk, I know I would :) I got a room full of old and new hardware, and sometimes I dig up old hardware with problems that I once gave up on, and manage to repair it somehow. Sold a pc made of 'used parts' yesterday, took me 2h to build, and it ran a recent 3D game seemlessly (Quake3), which even amazed me ^_^
Well, glad you got a working system out of this, and I'd be glad to help you again!
Glenn
We get our satisfaction by solving things that are 'Chinese' to others ;)
Oh, about your HDD: it may very well just have died. If it still puzzles you why it died, maybe you can bring it in with some PC repair shop or some guy that just knows a lot about PC hardware.
And, you may give this to your worst enemy thinking it will drive him nuts, I think the people that replied here would be more than glad to get that disk, I know I would :) I got a room full of old and new hardware, and sometimes I dig up old hardware with problems that I once gave up on, and manage to repair it somehow. Sold a pc made of 'used parts' yesterday, took me 2h to build, and it ran a recent 3D game seemlessly (Quake3), which even amazed me ^_^
Well, glad you got a working system out of this, and I'd be glad to help you again!
Glenn
>>> We get our satisfaction by solving things that are 'Chinese' to others ;) <<<
That's perfectly stated.
That's perfectly stated.
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If that's the issue, I must have a funky win98 CD ROM so I'll need to get whatever drivers (?) are corrupted from a 3rd party provider and install 'em (I don't know where nor how). I am a Carpenter by trade and this computer studd slays me!
Anyway, The Everest program - Motherboard <custom> IBM 26251E9, 133/66 MHz Pentium I processor. Bios is 15ET35W. I updated the BIOS yesterday too from the IBM Support website!
Everest, Neat program!
Thanx, Bill