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I have two old Macintoshes running MacOS 7.5.x whose hard drives I would like to back up.  I can connect either of them via an RJ45 crossover cable to my PC, but I haven't the slightest idea of where to go from there.

I can run Fedora Core 2 (Linux) on my PC.  Is there some way I can use it to share my PC's hard drive with one of the Macintoshes?  Once I do, is there some way I can make an image of the Macintosh's hard drive?  If there is a simple HowTo out there for this sort of thing, please do point it out.
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For your pc to see the mac and vice versa you would need appletalk(sfm) to be running on the pc.  Unless this is a server os then i dont think you are going to be able to do that.  You could purchase software that will connect mac to pc like dave or pcmaclan.  Do you have any macs running os x around?  because it would be real easy to copy them to those machines and then connect to the pc using smb.
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Doesn't Linux have some sort of Appletalk alternative included?  If nothing else, couldn't Basilisk II work somehow?  And don't Macintoshes have some support for TCP/IP anyway?
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I am not very familiar with linux or Basilisk.  Macs do have support for tcp/ip but a 3rd party software is still needed on the pc side.
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Macs running an OS that old dont support SMB which is what you need to connect to a PC. Not sure you want to back them up over the ethernet anyway since old Macs (like all old machines) used 10base-T ethernet which is painfully slow.
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Do you have a link with more information about SMB and why it is necessary, Mr. Weed?  And if not over Ethernet, how else would I back up these old Macintoshes (without purchasing an external CDRW drive)?
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The simplest explanation about SMB is that it's the protocol windows uses for filesharing, like appletalk for Macs. However pre-OS X Macs dont support SMB so you cant use that protocol to connect the two.

The easiest backup method is going to be either an external HD, or CD-R.
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Yes, well, I'm sure Windows uses a lot of proprietary things, which is why I mentioned Linux in my initial question.  Surely Linux does not necessarily have to use SMB?  (That's the whole point to Samba, after all.)
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If you could set up an FTP server on the Linux box, that would do it. Samba wont do you any good since it's just an implementation of SMB and you still cant install Samba on pre-os x machines.
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I suppose I could use FTP, but I was hoping that there was something like Norton Ghost or PartImage that I could use to make an image of the drive somehow.

Assuming I can get around the networking problem somehow, what would be the best way to back up those Macintosh hard drives?
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It seems Disk Copy might do the trick, assuming that there's a version for MacOS 7.5.x that supports hard drives (and not just floppies).  I'll give this a try...
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Yes, disk copy is how you would create an image. I believe all versions support HDD drives, not just floppies.
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Older versions of Disk Copy do have a limit on the size of image possible. But if these Macs have the original hard disks in them I don't imagine they'd be bigger than what's possible.
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I got around to reinstalling BasiliskII today.  Unfortunately, it requires a "SheepNet" kernel module compiled from the source, and sadly such compilation does not seem to be going smoothly.

I'd ask for advice on compiling SheepNet, but I guess no on here's tried anything like that.
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Well, after considerable effort I managed to get the Windows port of BasiliskII JIT to talk to one of the Macintoshes today.  (A lot of the difficulty was just establishing what system components I had to install on my BasiliskII hard drive image.  Previously I had been using the Linux version of BasiliskII since it is slightly more up to date (the Windows JIT version didn't even seem to boot properly), but compiling SheepNet seems to be more trouble than it's worth.

I think I'm just going to get this PAQ'd.
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