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Upgrade Ram for Asus P4S800
I have a P4S800 (SiS 648FX) Series with two DDRAM 512MB 32MX8 PC-3200C2 COR% modules. I want to upgrade to more ram, however the mother board information says:
3 x 184-pin DIMM Sockets support max. 3GB non-ECC DDR SDRAM memory
(PC2100/PC1600 up to 3 DIMMs; PC3200/PC2700 up to 2 DIMMs; 1GB PC3200/2700 with 32 DDR chips up to 1 DIMM only)
I cant upgrade to more pc3200 ram, as 2 slots are already in use.
Can i mix and match the 3200 with one module of 2100?
Or would i be better off buying 3 moules of the pc2100 in 1 gb incremnts and rpelacing the pc3200 modules? In that case is that possible because the manuf says 1gb of pc3200/2700 max, however, this is pc2100.
Thanks
3 x 184-pin DIMM Sockets support max. 3GB non-ECC DDR SDRAM memory
(PC2100/PC1600 up to 3 DIMMs; PC3200/PC2700 up to 2 DIMMs; 1GB PC3200/2700 with 32 DDR chips up to 1 DIMM only)
I cant upgrade to more pc3200 ram, as 2 slots are already in use.
Can i mix and match the 3200 with one module of 2100?
Or would i be better off buying 3 moules of the pc2100 in 1 gb incremnts and rpelacing the pc3200 modules? In that case is that possible because the manuf says 1gb of pc3200/2700 max, however, this is pc2100.
Thanks
ASKER
Hello,
I already have two PC-3200 512mb modules in the computer, however, this is not enough ram. I am running these programs at the same time and have continually received memeory errors:
Dreamweaver
Fireworks
Excel - usually a couple of files open
Outlook
IE - usually a few windows
Plus a multitude of bg programs: one note, symantec anti-virus, v2i, etc..
My PF Usage in the Performance window is 1.21 gb.
It seems whenever i am using dreamweaver with fireworks and try to open another application i get slow downs and errors.
I already have two PC-3200 512mb modules in the computer, however, this is not enough ram. I am running these programs at the same time and have continually received memeory errors:
Dreamweaver
Fireworks
Excel - usually a couple of files open
Outlook
IE - usually a few windows
Plus a multitude of bg programs: one note, symantec anti-virus, v2i, etc..
My PF Usage in the Performance window is 1.21 gb.
It seems whenever i am using dreamweaver with fireworks and try to open another application i get slow downs and errors.
Then maybe instead of a different RAM you could get a processor with HT. You might see the biggest increase in preformance then. You can utilize the whole processor and set certian programs to use which part of the processor.
You can also try to set your virtual memory to a higher setting, this will not give you better preformance but will stop the errors. Do you know how to do this? You should have at least some virtual memory, maybe it is set to 1MB which would not help at all. Cause if you are running at of memory, then your virtual memory is likely set very low. If windows sets the virtual memory you would never run out of memory as you are saying here. If you really are set on more RAM, then I would suggest that you get a different motherboard. With that many programs running, more, but yet slower RAM will not help your system.
Can I ask how many processes you have running?
I know that I could have all of those programs running and would not have a problem with memory, I have 1GB of RAM and I use those programs quite often.
Did this just start happening?
I would also suggest that you look through your system processes and see if you have any system processes that are running a lot of memory. You should also close all programs that you do not use. Make sure that you use MSconfig to configure your start up to only have the neccesary programs start at start up.
Look at this website and see your processes
http://www.blackviper.com/
You can also try to set your virtual memory to a higher setting, this will not give you better preformance but will stop the errors. Do you know how to do this? You should have at least some virtual memory, maybe it is set to 1MB which would not help at all. Cause if you are running at of memory, then your virtual memory is likely set very low. If windows sets the virtual memory you would never run out of memory as you are saying here. If you really are set on more RAM, then I would suggest that you get a different motherboard. With that many programs running, more, but yet slower RAM will not help your system.
Can I ask how many processes you have running?
I know that I could have all of those programs running and would not have a problem with memory, I have 1GB of RAM and I use those programs quite often.
Did this just start happening?
I would also suggest that you look through your system processes and see if you have any system processes that are running a lot of memory. You should also close all programs that you do not use. Make sure that you use MSconfig to configure your start up to only have the neccesary programs start at start up.
Look at this website and see your processes
http://www.blackviper.com/
ASKER
This processor does have hyper threading...
I have the paging file set to Initial size 1536, and max size 3072 (mb) Is this enough? I have 55gb free space on this drive (c)
I also have four other drives with free space that i could use for a paging file...
I have 54 processes running, all of which are nessasry, as i have elimninated the uneeded tasks from startup and set them to manual start.
When i started using more programs like backup(v2i and one other), APC ups, diskeeper etc.., i noticed a decrease in preformance. However, these programs are needed.
I have the paging file set to Initial size 1536, and max size 3072 (mb) Is this enough? I have 55gb free space on this drive (c)
I also have four other drives with free space that i could use for a paging file...
I have 54 processes running, all of which are nessasry, as i have elimninated the uneeded tasks from startup and set them to manual start.
When i started using more programs like backup(v2i and one other), APC ups, diskeeper etc.., i noticed a decrease in preformance. However, these programs are needed.
>>I have the paging file set to Initial size 1536, and max size 3072 (mb) Is this enough?
that is more then enough.
If you put page filing on a different drive other then your operating system it will help with preformance some.
With 54 processes running increasing the RAM is not going to help as your PF acts as RAM when you over flow. Reducing the number of processes will help, but 54 processes is a massive about of memory and takes a massive computer to run that smoothly.
I just don't see how you could have 54 processes that are needed. Servers hardly have 54 processes that are needed. If you truely need 54 processes to run on your computer at one time then it might be time that you get a workstation rather then just a normal computer.
List all your processes here, I bet we can eliminate some of them.
that is more then enough.
If you put page filing on a different drive other then your operating system it will help with preformance some.
With 54 processes running increasing the RAM is not going to help as your PF acts as RAM when you over flow. Reducing the number of processes will help, but 54 processes is a massive about of memory and takes a massive computer to run that smoothly.
I just don't see how you could have 54 processes that are needed. Servers hardly have 54 processes that are needed. If you truely need 54 processes to run on your computer at one time then it might be time that you get a workstation rather then just a normal computer.
List all your processes here, I bet we can eliminate some of them.
ASKER
Here they are. There are a few less because i dont have any major programs runnning except outllok, ie, firefox and notepad
Name Pid Pri Thd Hnd Priv CPU Time Elapsed Time
Idle 0 0 2 0 0 153:21:19.078 0:00:00.000
System 4 8 80 338 0 0:07:45.484 0:00:00.000
smss 560 11 2 28 200 0:00:00.859 78:34:01.063
csrss 608 13 13 569 5616 0:01:46.156 78:33:56.454
winlogon 632 13 21 592 32596 0:00:19.984 78:33:54.922
services 676 9 18 371 6788 0:00:14.562 78:33:52.454
lsass 688 9 25 369 25532 0:02:29.625 78:33:52.407
svchost 880 8 10 357 10424 0:00:05.531 78:33:49.954
svchost 984 8 68 1139 54872 0:01:18.921 78:33:48.766
svchost 1084 8 5 71 4496 0:00:00.359 78:33:47.766
svchost 1112 8 8 131 18732 0:00:00.562 78:33:46.860
CCSETMGR 1192 8 6 178 14624 0:00:00.265 78:33:44.344
CCEVTMGR 1212 8 26 271 15280 0:00:00.453 78:33:43.501
BRSVC01A 1376 8 3 33 3252 0:00:00.062 78:33:41.985
spoolsv 1396 8 14 204 26464 0:00:14.484 78:33:41.735
BRSS01A 1400 8 1 22 3928 0:00:00.140 78:33:41.735
mainserv 1752 8 2 56606 19028 0:00:05.281 78:33:35.157
DkService 1776 8 4 89 18048 0:00:01.187 78:33:34.751
gearsec 1800 8 2 28 3116 0:00:00.031 78:33:34.547
MDM 1832 8 4 75 15992 0:00:00.203 78:33:34.376
NAVAPSVC 1864 8 11 223 17208 0:01:49.265 78:33:33.969
NPROTECT 1916 8 4 118 9144 0:00:00.406 78:33:33.813
nvsvc32 1968 8 3 72 6480 0:00:01.890 78:33:30.782
Ofps 2012 8 3 31 3124 0:00:00.031 78:33:30.594
SAVSCAN 2040 8 12 78 25976 0:03:45.468 78:33:30.454
SMAgent 304 8 2 32 13544 0:00:00.031 78:33:29.782
explorer 356 8 14 2787 56548 0:20:31.734 78:33:29.594
symlcsvc 340 8 4 75 6712 0:00:00.296 78:33:29.282
PQV2iSvc 300 8 6 304 42956 0:29:36.828 78:33:28.735
MsPMSPSv 848 8 2 44 5016 0:00:00.031 78:33:27.047
type32 1096 8 3 45 18032 0:00:07.375 78:33:19.501
CCAPP 1128 8 20 310 32164 0:01:00.390 78:33:18.891
jusched 1184 8 1 21 7744 0:00:00.031 78:33:17.813
SecCopy 1564 8 1 111 21944 0:02:01.187 78:33:15.532
ONENOTEM 1612 8 1 18 14152 0:00:00.125 78:33:14.297
qbupdate 1644 8 8 267 32036 0:01:42.953 78:33:13.282
apcsystray 1704 8 1 39 16632 0:00:07.953 78:33:09.751
OUTLOOK 3200 8 21 793 62236 0:06:18.031 78:03:15.469
WINWORD 3268 8 15 608 154196 0:28:14.640 78:03:13.579
svchost 2272 8 5 99 5476 0:00:00.234 56:48:36.452
acrotray 1036 8 1 43 5248 0:00:00.187 31:11:37.546
WISPTIS 2544 13 3 86 4592 0:00:00.187 31:10:42.921
csrss 948 13 9 84 2184 0:00:00.375 0:17:02.015
winlogon 3408 13 12 142 6044 0:00:00.546 0:17:01.984
rdpclip 864 8 4 96 4108 0:00:00.156 0:17:01.109
logonui 2592 8 4 137 5760 0:00:00.578 0:16:59.937
firefox 2660 8 8 185 29736 0:00:04.718 0:16:42.734
IEXPLORE 3188 8 14 489 19076 0:00:06.265 0:15:49.203
logon.scr 2924 4 1 11 2324 0:00:00.046 0:06:58.468
cmd 3892 8 1 20 2672 0:00:00.062 0:00:49.671
Name Pid Pri Thd Hnd Priv CPU Time Elapsed Time
Idle 0 0 2 0 0 153:21:19.078 0:00:00.000
System 4 8 80 338 0 0:07:45.484 0:00:00.000
smss 560 11 2 28 200 0:00:00.859 78:34:01.063
csrss 608 13 13 569 5616 0:01:46.156 78:33:56.454
winlogon 632 13 21 592 32596 0:00:19.984 78:33:54.922
services 676 9 18 371 6788 0:00:14.562 78:33:52.454
lsass 688 9 25 369 25532 0:02:29.625 78:33:52.407
svchost 880 8 10 357 10424 0:00:05.531 78:33:49.954
svchost 984 8 68 1139 54872 0:01:18.921 78:33:48.766
svchost 1084 8 5 71 4496 0:00:00.359 78:33:47.766
svchost 1112 8 8 131 18732 0:00:00.562 78:33:46.860
CCSETMGR 1192 8 6 178 14624 0:00:00.265 78:33:44.344
CCEVTMGR 1212 8 26 271 15280 0:00:00.453 78:33:43.501
BRSVC01A 1376 8 3 33 3252 0:00:00.062 78:33:41.985
spoolsv 1396 8 14 204 26464 0:00:14.484 78:33:41.735
BRSS01A 1400 8 1 22 3928 0:00:00.140 78:33:41.735
mainserv 1752 8 2 56606 19028 0:00:05.281 78:33:35.157
DkService 1776 8 4 89 18048 0:00:01.187 78:33:34.751
gearsec 1800 8 2 28 3116 0:00:00.031 78:33:34.547
MDM 1832 8 4 75 15992 0:00:00.203 78:33:34.376
NAVAPSVC 1864 8 11 223 17208 0:01:49.265 78:33:33.969
NPROTECT 1916 8 4 118 9144 0:00:00.406 78:33:33.813
nvsvc32 1968 8 3 72 6480 0:00:01.890 78:33:30.782
Ofps 2012 8 3 31 3124 0:00:00.031 78:33:30.594
SAVSCAN 2040 8 12 78 25976 0:03:45.468 78:33:30.454
SMAgent 304 8 2 32 13544 0:00:00.031 78:33:29.782
explorer 356 8 14 2787 56548 0:20:31.734 78:33:29.594
symlcsvc 340 8 4 75 6712 0:00:00.296 78:33:29.282
PQV2iSvc 300 8 6 304 42956 0:29:36.828 78:33:28.735
MsPMSPSv 848 8 2 44 5016 0:00:00.031 78:33:27.047
type32 1096 8 3 45 18032 0:00:07.375 78:33:19.501
CCAPP 1128 8 20 310 32164 0:01:00.390 78:33:18.891
jusched 1184 8 1 21 7744 0:00:00.031 78:33:17.813
SecCopy 1564 8 1 111 21944 0:02:01.187 78:33:15.532
ONENOTEM 1612 8 1 18 14152 0:00:00.125 78:33:14.297
qbupdate 1644 8 8 267 32036 0:01:42.953 78:33:13.282
apcsystray 1704 8 1 39 16632 0:00:07.953 78:33:09.751
OUTLOOK 3200 8 21 793 62236 0:06:18.031 78:03:15.469
WINWORD 3268 8 15 608 154196 0:28:14.640 78:03:13.579
svchost 2272 8 5 99 5476 0:00:00.234 56:48:36.452
acrotray 1036 8 1 43 5248 0:00:00.187 31:11:37.546
WISPTIS 2544 13 3 86 4592 0:00:00.187 31:10:42.921
csrss 948 13 9 84 2184 0:00:00.375 0:17:02.015
winlogon 3408 13 12 142 6044 0:00:00.546 0:17:01.984
rdpclip 864 8 4 96 4108 0:00:00.156 0:17:01.109
logonui 2592 8 4 137 5760 0:00:00.578 0:16:59.937
firefox 2660 8 8 185 29736 0:00:04.718 0:16:42.734
IEXPLORE 3188 8 14 489 19076 0:00:06.265 0:15:49.203
logon.scr 2924 4 1 11 2324 0:00:00.046 0:06:58.468
cmd 3892 8 1 20 2672 0:00:00.062 0:00:49.671
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DkService disk keeper
gearsec cdrom drivers
BRSS01A brothers printer drivers
mainserv apc ups backup program
I disable a few of the other ones. The computer is running much better now that I changed the paging file to another drive as per your recommendation.
One Note I use all the time. It is a great asset to me.
I use word as my email editor, so that needs to be running and wasting ram.
Cmd was how I generated the list.
That’s it, thanks.
gearsec cdrom drivers
BRSS01A brothers printer drivers
mainserv apc ups backup program
I disable a few of the other ones. The computer is running much better now that I changed the paging file to another drive as per your recommendation.
One Note I use all the time. It is a great asset to me.
I use word as my email editor, so that needs to be running and wasting ram.
Cmd was how I generated the list.
That’s it, thanks.
your welcome.
you can, however, your memory speed would run at the slowest speed, which is the PC2100 module @ 266mhz. You would actually see a decrease in preformance if you did this. The best way to run memory is at the same speed as your FSB, with PC2100 that would be impossible.
>>Or would i be better off buying 3 moules of the pc2100 in 1 gb incremnts and rpelacing the pc3200 modules?
this would slow down preformance. Unless you are doing massive video editing or 3D redering, you have aboslutely NO need for 3GB of RAM. 1 GB of RAM is plenty as of right now.
What I would do IMO would be to get a 1Gb set of PC3200, two 512MB. I would then try to sell the RAM that you have in there now. I would not suggest that you put PC2100 RAM or anything slower then PC3200 in your computer as the increase in RAM would out way the preformance increase. Believe it or not that drop in speed would slow preformance a lot, more then you might think.