Windows 98 system doesn't appear in the network with all the others

Hi, I have a small home network with 4 cpus, 3 with WinXP Pro and one old with Win98 SE, all connected to a router. All the computers work, except the one with Windows 98. I executed the WinXP assistant (netsetup.exe) that I took from Windows XP on another cpu. Everything worked, and the network has been succesfully installed. But then, When I  browse in the network from the win98 (Destiny) system, there is no other computers, only Destiny. From a WinXp system (Bunker1), I can see all the other computers, except Destiny.
And I cannot access the internet form Destiny, however, the green light on the router is lit, so is the light behing the pci network card on Destiny.

Dis anybody ever saw such a thing?

Thanks
    -Sirkaar
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envoguecomputersConnect With a Mentor Commented:
definitely! Open winipcfg again and select release all, then renew all. If that doesn't get you a "real" address you either:

1. Have a bad network wire or card
2. Have a bad software driver for the card
3. Bad TCP/IP installation.

See if you can renew that address!
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envoguecomputersCommented:
Are you sure you have the workgroup setting right? Win XP default workgroup name is MSHOME, and 98's is Workgroup. To change it, go to Control Panel, then Network and click on the tabs at the top.
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SirkaarAuthor Commented:
Yep, the workgroup is Fallout Shelter, ans I checked the ortograph about 10 times to be sure it's spelled the same.
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envoguecomputersCommented:
Workgroup name length should not be longer than 15 characters. You should shorten your workgroup name to Fallout or something because if your name goes past the 15 characters you can have various NETBIOS errors.
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envoguecomputersCommented:
mmm... ok I miscounted there but I believe you should shorten your workgroup to one word.
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SirkaarAuthor Commented:
alright, I'll try that, but I never had any problem with that name... just a minute
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envoguecomputersCommented:
Is there a firewall on the Win98 computer?
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SirkaarAuthor Commented:
It didn't work, I changed it to Fallout and it still does nothing.
I just installed Win98, so there is no firewall, although there is one included like there is with WinXP, but I don't know how to remove it.

But it shouldn't be a firewall problem, nor it should be a workgroup name problem, since Internet isn't working neither on the Win98 system, am I right?
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envoguecomputersCommented:
If computer can't get in the workgroup, the internet most likely won't go. Windows 98 doesn't come with a firewall, but Windows XP does. You can disable it by going to Network Connections in Control Panel and right clicking the LAN connection, go to Properties, then Advanced and disable the Windows Firewall.
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SirkaarAuthor Commented:
Oh... ok

There is no firewall on any WinXP computers, I removed them all
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envoguecomputersCommented:
Did you install File and Printer Sharing on Windows98 as well as Client for Microsoft Networks and TCP/IP? You should also make sure the logon screen is the Microsoft Network logon.
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SirkaarAuthor Commented:
I'm not totally sure, are "File and Printer Sharing on Windows98" and "Client for Microsoft Networks and TCP/IP" components of Windows 98 wich you choose during Windows 98 installation? If yes, I wich Cathegory can I find them?

I believe I have TCP/IP installed, and I do have the logon screen appearing at Windows Startup since I installed the network
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SirkaarAuthor Commented:
Forget it, I found them all, it's installed already
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SirkaarAuthor Commented:
Maybe it's just a parameter problem with those things
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envoguecomputersCommented:
if you click on Start--> Run --> winipcfg you can see if the Win 98 computer is getting an IP address from the router. Tell me what you see when you run this.
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SirkaarAuthor Commented:
Adapter address:    00-05-5d-ff-32-db
IP Autoconfiguration address:  169.254.89.247
Subnet mask:  255.255.0.0
Default Gateway:

my IP address should be 192.168.0.xxx is that right?
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SirkaarAuthor Commented:
First, release all does nothing, then Renew all gives me this error message:

Error
DHCP Server unavailable: Renewing Adapter: ''''

The network car is almost new and it worked perfectly just before, so that's not the problem, the driver software is the driver I found on the internet with the EXACT serial number taht was on the network card.

And how about TCP/IP installation?

And if the light on the router wich the Win98 computer is lit, and the 3 lights are lit on the network card, is it still possible that it's the RJ-45 plug or the wire?
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envoguecomputersCommented:
There is definitely an issue there. Your card must be able to pick up an IP address from winipcfg or there's something wrong. Try removing TCP/IP and reinstalling it via the Network Icon in Control Panel.
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SirkaarAuthor Commented:
When I removed it and reinstalled it, Windows98 said the famous message: Cannot find rpcltc6.dll  Insert Windows 98 CD-ROM.
And when I insert it, the message pops again
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envoguecomputersCommented:
have you rebooted?
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SirkaarAuthor Commented:
no, it said that before asking me to rebbot, and after, the computers freezed, it's rebooting now, but I'm afraid it won't work
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envoguecomputersCommented:
particularly in Windows 98 you should reboot when prompted.
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SirkaarAuthor Commented:
After the reboot, it says in the MS-DOS, before loading windows:

Cannot find a device that may be needed to run Windows or a Windows application
blablabla...
...

nwlink.vxd
Press a key to continue

Maybe if I reinstall Win98 it will restore the dll nedded
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SirkaarAuthor Commented:
I'm trying to execute netsetup.exe again, to see if it will work this time
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envoguecomputersCommented:
So long as you have installed the Network modules correctly, you can remove that message from startup by going to Start --> run --> regedit and searching for that filename (nwlink.vxd).
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SirkaarAuthor Commented:
Well, I'm not sure it's installed correctly, as I said before, ther are a couple of DLLs missing
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envoguecomputersCommented:
If you doubleclick Network in control panel, ensure that all the necessary stuff is there (client for MS networks, TCP/IP, MS file and printer sharing) and press OK and your computer doesn't try to install any files, it should be fine. Try winipcfg again.
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SirkaarAuthor Commented:
I am rebboting and I have also plugged a new wire to test it
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SirkaarAuthor Commented:
Got it!

It's working perfectly now, I don't know if it's the wire or the new parameters, but I believe it's the wires, it was an old wire that somebody gave me

Thanks for all your time Bud!
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SirkaarAuthor Commented:
Just one more thing, how do I remove the stupid registry entry?

I deleted the file in the registry, but still, the message keeps appearing at bootup
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envoguecomputersCommented:
Do a search again for the filename in the registry and make sure you caught ALL the entries. Press F3 to find the next instance.
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SirkaarAuthor Commented:
alright, so I just delete all the entries found
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SirkaarAuthor Commented:
I tried with the old cable, and it's not working? CAn you believe we lost all that time just for a cable? Sorry for that, but at least you have your points
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