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New Asus P4U800-X Motherboard won,t post

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I,m building a new computer as a backup, Asus P4U800-X motherboard Intel 1.8 P4 CPU,  512 DDR 400 Ram AGP 40Gig Samsung harddrive. Installed the mobo on correct standoffs into case, put CPU, Ram, Graphics card, Hardrive and floppy in - double checked all connections - turned system on - fans turned, motherboard LCD lights up - no beeps no post - all voltages appear correct on test card iinserted in PCI slot. Case power switch turned power on but could not turn it off - reset switch dosen't work. Both switches are functioning ok. Help!
 
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    by:Lee W, MVP
    What core is the CPU?  Willemette?  What's the Asus board's chipset?  Intel 865 or newer?  I had an 865 chipset and a willemette processor - I found out the 865 chipset isn't compatible with the Willemette core CPU.  You might need a different CPU.
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    by:Wiggielodge1
    Thanks -= the Mobo Chipset is ULI M1683  supporting 800 FSB and supports all P4 processors according to Asus support site - problem with power switch seems to indicate mobo problem - but I am really no expert
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    by:stockhes
    Many mobo's needs > 5 sec push on the power switch to "force power down".

    things to check:

    ATX12 volt connector (4pin  square connector powers CPU)

    Clear CMOS with jumper

    CPU fan to correct connector on mobo(senses fan rpm, otherwise CPU shut down)

    next thing will be to remove mobo from case put on some non conductive material (wood /cardboard)

    only insert
    CPU with cooling
    1 stick of RAM
    GFX card
    keyboard

    hook up power supply
    and short the two pins on mobo hooked to your power switch(start button)

     

     
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    by:stockhes
    >and short the two pins on mobo hooked to your power switch(start button)

    You just need to touch the pins not a permanent short
    and do hook up monitor as well

    Many ASUS boards have a voicefeature telling boot faults this off couse needs a hooked up speaker
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    by:Wiggielodge1
    Thanks - I've held down the power switch for longer than 5 secs to power off - didn't work , pressed reset switch  - didn't work, - Cleared CMOS with jumpers, Mobo is receiving 12v, -12v, -5v,  5v  tested with P0050 POST CARD tester - the Reset light (LCD) on the tester shows on all the time indicating a power loop, the BIOS light and Run light fail to work. The tester seems to indicate that the board is receiving the power but that the circuit for the reset switch is permenently powered on. I'll try removing the Mobo and testing as you indicated. Cheers
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    by:Wiggielodge1
    Carried out test as suggested - CPU fan powers up mobo LCD lights up - no post
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    by:stockhes
    A short in the power or reset button will upset the Mobo

    hope you will find a simple casing fault and get your backup going
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    by:stockhes
    How about removing the wires to the reset pins ?
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    by:Wiggielodge1
    Cheers - the out of case test seems to eliminate the switches
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    by:stockhes
    Sorry did'nt see your last post

    did you check that

    ATX12 volt connector (4pin  square connector powers CPU) ?
    Fan will run independantly of this, but CPu will not
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    by:Wiggielodge1
    And also the switch wires - shorting the switch contacts for both power switch and reset switch
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    by:stockhes
    ??
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    by:Wiggielodge1
    What is best way to test CPU power?
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    by:stockhes
    So your Mobo is having an "out of case" experience: ^o^

    >And also the switch wires - shorting the switch contacts for both power switch and reset switch

    < what do you mean ??
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    by:stockhes
    > What is best way to test CPU power?

    simplest way is to feel if heatsink gets warm, mind your fingers with the fan
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    by:Wiggielodge1
    With a DC voltmeter set to 20v range I get a reading of 0.17 across the black and yellow connector pins
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    Hey Wiggielodge1

    did you check that

    ATX12 volt connector (4pin  square connector powers CPU) ?
    Fan will run independantly of this, but CPU will not

    check the lower picture

    http://www.anandtech.com/guides/viewfaq.html?i=119
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    by:stockhes
    Yellow is + 12 volt
    black is ground
    red is +5 volt
    orange is 3,3 volt(afair)

    > With a DC voltmeter set to 20v range I get a reading of 0.17 across the black and yellow connector pins

    It seems you dont have 12 volt there

    where is that measured ?
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    by:Wiggielodge1
    The heatsink does not appear to heat up
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    by:stockhes
    No not with 0.17volts

    Hey to summarize

    Things you did not answer

    1)
    CPU fan to correct connector on mobo(senses fan rpm, otherwise CPU shut down, no 12 volt in 4 pin connector)

    2)
    ATX12 volt connector (4pin  square connector powers CPU) ?
    Fan will run independantly of this, but CPU will not

    check the lower picture

    http://www.anandtech.com/guides/viewfaq.html?i=119

    3)

    > With a DC voltmeter set to 20v range I get a reading of 0.17 across the black and yellow connector pins

    Where did you measure that

    because fans also operate at 12 volts and they spin

    please answer /check these things




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    by:Wiggielodge1
    Thanks for sticking with me on this - its the first time I've used a forum I do appreciate the help
    To deal with the summary points
    1. CPU fan connector wire correctly connected

    2. ATX 4 pin connector properly connected ( it was across the black and yellow pins on this that I got the 0.17 reading
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    by:Lee W, MVP
    While I do generally consider ASUS a quality company, the company I got my board from listed in their manual all CPUs from 1.6 to 3.2+ GHz were supported - but that was false.  At least, it was wrong of them not to point out the Willemette Issue.  I'm not familiar with your chipset, but I'd try contacting Asus to verify compatibility - I searched with google and found very little info on the chipset.  I then downloaded the manual for your mobo and could find no reference to the Willamette core.  Email Asus support and double check.  If you can, try a newer CPU in the system and see if that works.
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    by:stockhes

    Can you measure if you get 12 volt shortly, when starting the pc ?

    Access to spare PSU ?
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    LEEW

    Do you think an unsupported CPU will prevent 12 volt in the 12 volt ATX connector ?

    supported cpu's
    P4-1.8A GHz (Socket478, 400 FSB, L2 cache:512KB) 1.07  1004  being northwood  
    P4-1.8 GHz (Socket478, 400 FSB, L2 cache:256KB)                    being willamette

    so ASUS states that willamette is supported

    http://www.asus.com.tw/support/cpusupport/cpusupport.aspx?ModelName=P4U800-X


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    by:stockhes
    being in the CET timezone it's bedtime now

    But I guess it is obvious you are missing 12 volt from your PSU

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    by:Wiggielodge1
    Thanks mate have a good night
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    by:stockhes
    Hey Wiggielodge1

    Any progress ?

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    Hey Stockhes

    Current Situation

    Motherboard out of case, test for all voltages correct { using P10050 post card ) Power switch works O.K. 5 sec powerdown, Reset switch works LEDs on Test Card but has no effect on mobo power. No POST no bleeps
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    by:Wiggielodge1
    I feel that I have a DOA motherboard but want to make sure sure I've eliminated as many possible other alternatives before RMA
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    by:stockhes
    That means you have 12 volts in 4 pin connector ?

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    If you don't you wont post to bios !

    Many people thinks the mobo can post to bios by itself, but it needs the cpu and ram to process the bios information

    voltage test will be correct if the 12 volt wire in ATX AUX connector delivers the juice, but that won't help your CPU, because its solely powered by the 4pin connector.



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    by:Wiggielodge1
    With ATX power supply connected on both connectors (incl 4 pin to Mobo) 4pin tests at 12.7 v black/yellow on each pair So power for CPU is Ok and fan works but unable to detect heat in the cpu heatsink. Cpu worked fine in anothermobo couple days ago.
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    Then its probably not a voltage issue.

    Can you exchange the RAM-stick with a proven one or try the current one in another machine ?

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    Fitted newDDR400  512 ram stick  in each of slots no post no beeps
    substituted for 512 PC2100 ram tried in each slot  no beeps no post
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    by:Wiggielodge1
    using P10050 post card tester get error code 80 on led display  = the keyboard test has started
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    That post card tester is it displaying hex or decimal ?
    Because 80 decimal ~ 50 hex
    80 hex is reserved and 50 hex is initialize USB

    But now that it might not be a power issue all is open again.



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    I just saw at H'7F it will report errors and await keyboard input, what if you press F1 and check if anything happens on post card.


    Which GFX do you have ?
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    Hey Wiggie

    Please note that GFX with AGP spec 2.0 or above is needed for this mobo

    AGP 1.0 AGP 1x&2x@3.3volts
    AGP 2.0 AGP4X@1,5 volts
    AGP 3.0 AGP8X@0.8 volts

    AGP2 & 3.0 can mix so you can run 8X @ 1,5 volts
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    by:Wiggielodge1
    GP7 440TL  8X 64M Graphics card - The issue seems to reside in the fact  - No Beeps  - No Post
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    Then if you have a speaker connected :-) and no beeps i guess its RMA time for your MOBO

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    There ya go! Appreciate the help
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    Wiggielodge1,

    No comment has been added to this question in more than 21 days, so it is now classified as abandoned..
    I will leave the following recommendation for this question in the Cleanup topic area:
    Accept: stockhes

    Any objections should be posted here in the next 4 days. After that time, the question will be closed.


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