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Cannot edit text anymore after saving file in v.9 and 10 ?? None of the usual culprits!

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Greetings,

I'm coming back to Illustrator after (too long) a hiatus, so maybe I've missed some new wrinkle in possible consequences, but I've been told (though I have my doubts) that there exists some way of saving, or saving as, which renders all the text uneditable, or permanently locked, forever after. Is this possible?

Let me hasten to add, the file is not "locked," there are no keystrings or passwords applied, the file content is not locked, or grouped, or otherwise on a locked layer, or sublayer, yet none of the text boxes respond to the Text Tool, instead a new text box is initiated. The text boxes can, however, be copied and pasted, though no matter to where, from v.9 to 10, or vise-versa, they still cannot be edited.

This is something that has to go to press immediately so your help is essential ! Thanks.

regards,

stevenjs
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by:mrwebdev
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Make sure the font is available, and I am assuming the origional saved file probably didn't have the Embedded font option selection.

I will do some research and help you as much as I can!

Good Luck!
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Something to look at:

Creating and Modifying Text in Illustrator

Text boxes can be created by clicking or dragging with the 'T' tool in the main toolbar and selected and edited with the 'pointer' tools. text can be edited when either it is highlighted with the 'T' tool or when the entire text box is selected with one of the pointer' tools. for the text editing toolbox select Type>Character or type 'Ctrl+T'. you can also click the right pointing triangle on the text toolbox to show more editing options.
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Maybe this can explain your situation!
Quoted from an Adobe Forum:

When you have a particular feature in a new version -- say Envelopes in Illustrator 10 -- you can use that feature in AI10, but you can't export that file to an older version of Illustrator 8 and expect to edit it, right? Meaning you can't create an envelope in AI10, save the file as an AI8 file, open it in AI8 and expect to edit the live envelope because the envelope feature doesn't exist in AI8. The visual appearance is correct, but the art isn't editable as a live envelope anymore.

Because of the huge advancement in technology of the new text engine in Illustrator CS, text isn't compatible with previous versions of Illustrator.

OK, don't freak on me now -- let's talk a little bit more about this. This is important.

We'll start with the most common scenario. You launch Illustrator CS and open a file that was created in a previous version of Illustrator (say Illustrator 10 or Illustrator . The file contains text. When you open the file, you'll be presented with a dialog box that states that following: "This file contains text that was created in a previous version of Illustrator. This Legacy text must be updated before you can edit it." The dialog box gives you two options. UPDATE and OK. If you click UPDATE, then all the text in your file will be converted to the new text engine and some reflow may occur (usually kerning issues). If you click OK, none of the legacy text is affected at all -- the file will open just as it did in AI10 or before. Only you can't edit the text (the text appears like a placed EPS -- a box with an "X" through it). You can print the file and make other changes -- you just can't edit the text unless you convert the text to the new text engine (we'll talk more about this option in a bit).
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by:stevenjs
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Thank you, mrwebdev, for your effort.

I've seen that post on another forum, possibly the Adobe Illustrator forum. They don't have CS, so that's not the issue, although I find it appalling how Adobe handled the introduction of this new engine.

Also, the font is Arial so it is available. I don't know how one would know, after the fact, whether a file had been saved without embedding the fonts. Is there a way?

I believe I have the real answer from yet a third forum, so I'm going to close this question.

Apparently whoever worked on the file turned all the text into outlines on the belief this would avoid any font issues with the printer. Of course, the font being arial, this was completely unnecessary. Worse, no editable backup file was kept. So it looks like I'll be doing it all over again, unless they can come up with an older file that hasn't been mashed into outlines.

regards,

stevenjs
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Good Luck...

Yes the last post was quoted... from an Adobe and I put it at the top!


Thanks,

Hope you get it resolved, take care!
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you'd need to export to EPS and not check embed font.  then you'd be locked out.  People might be thinking that they are locked out of the text, but just need to go to Object unlock, or object ungroup.

Or people have converted the text to Path. (smart to do when you want to maintain your tracking and kerning and font) But you lose text editing ability.
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Yes, that was it, the text had been converted by someone who thought this was necessary all the time before taking the file to the printer. I learned elsewhere this is sometimes done when there is some doubt as to whether the printer has a particular font, but in this case the font was Arial, and so this conversion was completely unnecessary. Worse, there was no backup kept prior to the conversion!

Thanks, michaelbuddy.

regards,

stevenjs
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