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How do I set up a wireless router and an access point

Hi

i have a problem setting up an SMC Wireless router and an SMC Access point. At this moment the setup is as follows:

Wireless router: SSID: SMC; DHCP on; Repeater on; Channel 6; WEP 128 bit enabled, key 1
Access point: SSID: SMC; DHCP on; repeater on; channel 6; WEP 128 bit enabled, key 1 (same encryption as in router)
WLan Mac address access point of router in Access point, and Mac Address of Access point in WDS section of Wireless router (under repeater section).

When I try to connect one moment the connection is made with the accesspoint of the router, the other moment with the other access point, with loss of connection.

What am I doing wrong, and how to correct it ?
Please an answer ASAP.

thanks alot

marioway

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grbladesCommented:
Hi marioway,
Why have you got a wireless router and an access point?
On the access point you need to :-
1) Change the SSID so you know which one you are connecting to
2) Turn off DHCP as you already have it provided by the router
3) Change the channel to something like 9. At the moment they are both transmitting on the same frequency and interfering with each other.
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grbladesCommented:
If you only want to use a normal wireless connection then you dont need the access point aswell.
The only benefit of the additional access point is you can put it somewhere else and extend the range of the wireless connection. You will need to choose to connect to the wireless network with the strongest signal.
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mariowayAuthor Commented:
Hi, I'm using a wireless router and an access point because I want to REPEATE the signal .

Wireless router in one place , the access point in another place, where the signal of the wireless router is poor, to enhance the signal of the router. So I think the SSID must be the same on both AP's ?

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grbladesCommented:
Both devices need to specifically support this bridging feature for you to be able to do it. It wont work if you just set them both to the same channel.
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mariowayAuthor Commented:
Hi, what I understand ath this moment is the following:

- on the access point: disable DHCP (so the access point will have its original IP-address), and put it on a different channel, but in the WDS section of the router, will I be able to fill in the Mac address of the second access point ?)
- as I am using the repeater function to strenghten the signal from the router the SSID should be the same in the router and the access point (or not ?)

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grbladesCommented:
Do both wireless devices support beidging?
Both will need to be on the same channel.
You want the access point not to be a DHCP server but it can obtain its IP address via DHCP (client).
Unless both devices support bridging and you configure them both with their partner it wont work.
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mariowayAuthor Commented:
Hi, grblades

The access point can be setup as bridge. So, in fact, what should I do ?

marioway
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mariowayAuthor Commented:
Hi grblades, I think I'll have to explain a little more:

In one place of the building I have installed a wireless router, but cannot cover the whole building. The access point, built in in the router can be set as repeater. So I want to put a second access point at the other end of the building and set this access point as repeater. The pc's at the other end have th be on the same network (fi "SMC"). But how do I configure?

thx
Marioway

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grbladesCommented:
The way you configure it will depend on the particular access point as it is not a standard feature and different manufacturers configure it differently.
Both access points need to support working as a repeater and they may only work if the other access point is teh same make.
Basically you need to look at the manual.
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darkfriendCommented:
I think your on the right track.  Typically you enable WDS on both router and access point.  Input the WLAN MAC of each device into the other's WDS section.  The router should be set to its normal mode(access point).  The Access point should be set to repeater mode.  Setting to repeater mode should, in theory, disable all other functionality of the AP.  The SSID, encryption, and channel should all be the same.

If that doesn't work do everything the same but make the SSID different on each.  I'm not sure how SMC does this so it could go either way, but I'm certain they should not both be in repeater mode.  WDS connections usually don't need the same SSID.

Additionally, if one uses MAC address repeating and the other WDS then they may not be compatible with one another in that way.  They must both have WDS.

I don't have access to SMC manuals so this is all quite general.  Please list the model #'s and I will try to scare some up.
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mariowayAuthor Commented:
Hi, Thank you darkfriend, but when I put the two devices on the same channel, they interfere with each other (the connection jumps from one device to the other), if they have the same SSID. They should be on the same network though, so if I change the channel and keep the SSID the same, shouldn't it work ? SMC doesn't give much information,  online, or in the manual, but I'm going to pass through the models #'s. Thanks again in advance.

marioway
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mariowayAuthor Commented:
Hi darkfriend, the models are as follows:

SMC7804WBRA EU  (wireless modem-router ADSL)
SMC2870W EU (access point)

thx
marioway
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darkfriendCommented:
I think it's actually the opposite of how you're thinking...somewhat.  If the SSID and channels are the same then, yes, the connection will bounce back and forth.  That's no good.  This indicates that the SSID configuration is not to make them the same.  If they have the same SSID but different channels then the same thing will happen.  The receiving computers care only of the SSID and the channel it picks up randomly(or automatically).

If the SSID is different on both then you should be able to connect to one or the other.  You will see "router" and "accesspoint."  Then, when you connect to "accesspoint" you should get internet.  If you don't then the router and AP are not communicating.  As far as I know, with WDS, the SSID should be different but the channel the same.  Although, the channel being the same may not matter; I don't recall.  I'm almost positive I just left them the same.  I hope this helps a little.  I'll try to find those manuals later and see if there is anything useful in them.
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darkfriendCommented:
ok...I looked at the manuals.  The router one is useless 'cause the WDS was added in later firmware.  As to the AP, it looks like you do enable repeater mode on both, enter the WLAN MAC of one in the other...you've done that already.  After poking around the internet it looks as if you those using the SMC 2804WBR with other routers have been setting the SSID and channel the same.  I would also suggest setting a static IP address on the AP.  Then you can attempt to ping that address from a computer wired, or wirelessly connected, to the router to check if the AP is on the network.  That is the end test.

http://www.beatnikpad.com/archives/2004/10/19/airportExpressWDS
http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,11624240~mode=flat

I've setup repeating on both Linsksy and Buffalo.  With Linksys the channel and SSID were the same...required. With Buffalo the SSID could be different but it was not a requirement, however, one would think it to be a conflict.  I guess you're one of the first to test this and document it.  SO you better get it working.
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mariowayAuthor Commented:
Hi Darkfriend, I'm surely gonna test it and let you know how exactly it must be done, even if it costs me my night sleep.
See you later.

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