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URGENT: CROSSOVER OFFICE....

Hi all,

I want someone to give me a detailed step-by-step instructions to obtaining a fully functional installer to the CrossOver Office Package avalable at CodeWeavers. Mind you, this is not illegal because CrossOver Office is GPL and the source is available at the site itself.

ftp://ftp.codeweavers.com/pub/crossover/office/source/office-src-4.0.0.tgz

the above link downloads the source.... Please be very precise.

Lets the games begin,

Karan
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prof666Commented:
Codeweavers Crossover is commercial software and you have to pay for it. Just because it's GPL doesn't mean it's free (it only means they must publish the code..) If you want the installer then you must pay the fee.
I run 3.0.1 Pro and have found it to be well worth the cost.

Prof
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kidomanAuthor Commented:
Hi,

But i beg to differ with you. GPL means that they cant take away our freedom "by" closing the source code. They provide the source code with the guarentee that it is the same code base they work on. We are free to compile our own versions and the "installer" too (its source code is provided too.)

To cite an example: SUSe 9.1 is a very polular dist of Linux in Europe. They dont provide iso (because they are commercial) but they do provide us the RPMs (actually GPL mandates them to.) GPL ensures that you dont try to make a quick-buck by building on others effort. if u take from the community (like COO has lended heavily from Wine) then you give back too.

I am sure Richard Stallman will agree with me.

Cheers,

Karan
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blklineCommented:
I downloaded the source and looked around.    In the directory ./src/loki/setup I found a README that said:

Building the installer:
Type 'make; make install'
This builds a static version of the console installer, and a dynamically
linked version of the GUI installer, and installs them in the appropriate
CD-image subdirectory for this architecture and version of libc.
                                                                                                                   
The image subdirectory contains a set of files that you can copy to your
CD image, and modify for the game you are distributing.

Now, I'm not sure that this is the installer for the Crossover product or an installer that you can use to work with a previously installed package.  

As to your interpretation of the GPL, you've got it just a bit wrong.  Although Codeweavers uses WINE and other GPLed software, their only obligation is to provide the source for changes they made to any  GPLed code.    They are perfectly in their rights to keep their own code propietary.

For my money, if I wanted to run any Windows software then I'm willing to pay the pittance that codeweavers wants just so I don't have to endure configuring WINE.
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kidomanAuthor Commented:
Ok, you are right. They can indeed keep their "own" proprietory code "hidden." But isnt crossoveroffice just a mod of Wine (a very nice one at that.) Lets see. I was just going by my experience of previous 'GPL but commercial" software. THere are quite a few.

Cheers,

Karan
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blklineCommented:
Codeweavers (CW) uses WINE, and as such needs to provide source for their changes to it.  However, if the installer  and configuration tool that they wrote doesn't actually incorporate into itself any GPLed code then they aren't obligated to release its source.

You can do everything that CW does by yourself.  Just go to www.winehq.org and do the research to see if the programs you want to run are supported.  CW's contribution is to do the legwork for you, for specific packages. Their focus is to ensure that the business apps that people use on 'doze can run on a Linux desktop and that installation of said programs is straightforward.  So the set of programs that they support is more focused to business  than a home user might find useful.

FWIW, I know of one user of CW and he says it works great.  I made a conscious effort to rid my life of MS programs (which is actually quite easy for what I used them for) and as a result, have no use for either CW or WINE.
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prof666Commented:
what blkline says it true, and you do have to pay for the "NON" GPL code that CW has witten. As a user of CW stuff the main reason I bought it was to run Macromedia Studio MX and Director under Linux (all which work flawlessly!!). If I wanted to run 'doze software I would use XP, but linux has great alternatives to most MS software, but the Macromedia stuff is still way ahead of anything on linux ....yet (here's hoping Someday I can ditch paying for these and get a GPL version that is just as good)
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255x4Commented:
Actually, WINE is LGPL, not GPL.  There is a significant difference. The Lesser (sometimes called library) GPL allows closed source code to be linked to open source code, that code being called the library.  If you make changes to the library, those changes stay under the LGPL.  Any programs you write that use the library can be whatever you want.

This means that I can take WINE, make any mods I want to it, and those mods are LGPL.  If I then write an installer, configuration wizard, installation wizard to install windows applications, and any other programs to make the installation and/or running of windows apps easier, I can make those programs any license I want.

That is, in effect, what Codeweavers has done.  They use Wine, TCL/TK, iTCL and Loki's setup software, each of these are lgp, BSD-style, BSD-style and GPLV2.  Along with these, they use kmimefromext and kmimeexists where are licensed under the LGPL.  Some items that have not modified, any ones they do, the include the source code for their mods.  Also, all source code for the free/OSS software is included in their CD's.  But the code that is proprietary to Codeweavers is what you are paying for.

Thanks,

255x4
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blklineCommented:
I never looked to see exactly what license the components of CW used, so thank you for pointing that out.  
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255x4Commented:
Karan,

If you wish, you can contact CodeWeavers and receive a trial copy of CrossOver Office Standard.  This would be a time limited (30 day) version.  It is a full running version and can be "unlocked" by CodeWeavers if you choose to purchase it.  This will let you try out the system and see if it can get the programs running that you want.

You can still use WINE if you wish, although it is my experience that you should try to not use both simultaneously since I have seen, in the past, problems with two versions of library files floating around.  If you wish to follow this path, then install WINE first, try it out, if it doesn't work for your programs, then please give the trial version of CrossOver a chance and see if it works.  From what I can tell from the CodeWeavers site, all programs that run under CrossOver Office Professional will run under the Standard version also.  The only differences are in deployment (read: centralised install), multi-user support, and various volume and educational discounts, and of course pricing.

Have fun,

255x4
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