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Changing "directory permission" on salvaged laptop c:drive, now desk-top ext. HD, after recent winXP SP2 security enhancements.

I removed 2.5" HD c-drive from Toshiba laptop because of unstable behavior, later found to be corrupt XP sys files.  Toshiba OEM recovery disk is available,  but laptop is not available.   Subject HD is in an externalhousing w/firewire to Sony desktop running XP SP2.   I'm unable to move or view my documents on the subject drive - directory tree seems to be OK.  Access is denied" is posted whenever I try to gain access as "Administrator."   I've been unable to replace directory permission (probably because of recent SP2 closure of security holes).   Any ideas  re:  access?       - - -  Thanks in advance.
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LucFCommented:
Hi jflarner,

>>I've been unable to replace directory permission<<
Try it at a higher level (the full drive is best for this) and make sure to set "replace Owner on subcontainers and objects" is checked.
Afterwards, change the permissions, and in the "advanced" settings, again, make sure "reset permissions on all child objects" is checked.

Just to be sure, I'll add these links:

308421 - HOW TO: Take Ownership of a File or Folder in Windows XP
http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=308421

HOW TO: Set, View, Change, or Remove File and Folder Permissions in Windows XP
http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=308418

Good luck,

LucF
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LucFCommented:
Just to add, this has nothing to do with SP2, this security is build into the NTFS filesystem. You have to be the Owner of files before you can change the permissions unless set otherwise. In this case the Administrator isn't the Owner, but the Administrator will always be able to take ownership.

LucF
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jflarnerAuthor Commented:
Sorry for my failure to respond, I've been involved with pre-litigation issues . . . critical docs re litigation are on 2.5 HD . . . admin ownership take-over may work for XP pro, but for XP Home ed, XP-administrator must start in safe mode, and  therefore loses usb or iLink external HD hook-up.  Do you know of any work-around solution, other than XP-pro upgrade?

P. S. Tosheba 2.5" HD is an oddball with no jumpers to convert to slave.  Accordingly 2.5" to 3.5" adapter, then HD install in desk tower as second HD-drive may cause problems.
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LucFCommented:
Here's a tip I found some time ago, it might suit you nicely in this case.

How Do I see the Security Tab in XP Home?
http://www.dougknox.com/xp/tips/xp_home_sectab.htm

LucF
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jflarnerAuthor Commented:
2.5" HD attached via iLink and IDed by Sony tower as “Local Disk I.”  Security tab solution worked for XP-Home Ed., however the changes to current owner of item, now “SONY/Administators”. Failed to go past the users on the directory tree (i.e. Disk I, Documents and Settings, and “John” have new ownership, but “My Documents” folder  continue to post “Access denied”).  I suspect that the 2.5" HD may be in the early stages of failure.  Are there any sector recovery programs like the ones that use to come with DOS 3.2 and DOS 5?
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LucFCommented:
jflarner,

Please try replacing the ownership from a higher folder.
Right-click "Documents and settings" => "Properties" => "Security" => "Advanced" => "Owner" => select the new owner => check the box on "Replace owner on subcontainers and objects" => "Ok" => "Ok"

Now, Right-click "documents and settings" again => "Properties" => "Secrity" => Set the new permissions here => "Advanced" => check the box on "Reset permissions on all child objects and enable propagation of inheritable permissions" => "Ok" => "Ok"

This as sometimes you don't have permissions on the main object, but replacing on child objects will do the trick for you.

LucF

p.s. Dos 3.2/5.x won't help you as they can't access NTFS formatted drives. NTFSDOS might be able to help you if even the above fails.
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jflarnerAuthor Commented:
LucF

I’m not a Lucky Fellow.  When I use Nortan Disk Doctor on the external 2.5" Tosheba HD, Disk Doctor hangs two thirds the way through its mission.  When I try a second time, the program hangs one third the way through.  When I put the hard drive into a zip lock bag and refrigerate it, then place it between two zip lock bladders of ice water, Nortan Disk Doctor completes its analysis and says everything is OK.

Clearly I have a worn hard drive that increasingly wobbles as it warms up after being energized.   When it cools, the ware factor wobble seems to be non-existent.   After cooling HD I’ve attempted quick and “down the directory tree” individual folder ownership take-overs, but ownership take-over always fails at my “user sub-folders.”  Perhaps there is physical damage on disk at that folder data table.   Maybe the LinkSys wireless install before Laptop failure is creating security issues.

Ghosting the user information to other media also fails.  It would bee nice to have a NTFS sector search program that could high speed sample all sectors for document material then capture the documents, regardless of allocation corruption.  I bet Homeland Security ITs have these programs.

Bottom line: just another pathetic “failed to back-up story.”  I’ve preached and practiced back-up, but the one minute I let my guard down look what happens!  

Thanks LucF.  I’m new to this forum, if I give you the points now, does it close the message thread.  Please advise.
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LucFCommented:
jflarner,

Just as a last try as I don't like to see you going away without trying everything.
Get yourself a copy of Knoppix which is a bootable Linux distribution from:
http://www.knopper.net/knoppix/index-en.html

Knoppix should give you full access to the NTFS partition on that laptop disk.
Although I'm personally not a fan of the "refrigerator trick" it seems like it helps you to at least be able to access the disk for a short time.
So, what you might want to try is to cool the HDD down again, then attach it to an allready running Knoppix installation, Knoppix has Firewire support, hope it also recognizes the enclosure you're using.

Good luck,

LucF

p.s. yes, if you accept one of my comments as an answer the question gets finalized.
      you can read up on closing questions here: http://www.experts-exchange.com/help.jsp#hs5
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