why put Ghost on BartPE instead of making a Ghost Bootable disc

I have been told elsewhere on this site that I can make a Ghost Bootable disc in order to copy my entire c:\ drive on a crashed windows xp box.  I have read elsewhere that I can put Ghost as a plugin on a BartPE disc.  Well, I have both options and I want to know what are the pros and cons of both?

davidgareauAsked:
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robertdimsCommented:
David
The difference, as far as I can see is :

Ghost bootable disk is one you use Ghost to create an image backup of your Windows installation thats bootable from the CD or DVD, this way when things go wrong, you pop in the CD/DVD and boot from it and within minutes, your are back running down to the minute you took this image backup, normally you take the backup after you have Windows installed and all working (plus any programs if you feel lazy).

BartPE is a XP bootable disc, when you add the Ghost plugin, it will allow you to boot from a dead system (where windows wont boot but you need to backup the image or data), so you can do some recovery or access the net for downloads or repair virus damage etc.

HTH
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ghstmanCommented:
I think HTH has nailed this on the head as far as the diffrence.
 But what I would suggest in the senario that you presented in which you have a crashed XP system is to use the ghost boot disk prefeably a network one if you have a server or other client machine to connect to.  BartsPE will work too but if you miss something then format you are almost out of luck besides undelete which can be messy.  This option let you create a image of the system that you can go back to again and again.  
Make your image file then use ghost explorer to pull out the data files you want.  If your issue is that the HD is crashing then you can use a couple of ghost switches to try and recover the disk:
http://service1.symantec.com/SUPPORT/ghost.nsf/docid/1998082609405925?Open&src=&docid=1998082612540625&nsf=ghost.nsf&view=pfdocs&dtype=&prod=&ver=&osv=&osv_lvl=

If you do not have ghost explorer which is inlucded with the Enterprise version, I would suggest you take that HD out and put it in another machine then pull the data off and then format your original HD and start over.
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davidgareauAuthor Commented:
The Crashed computer is a laptop... so I'd have to find a 2.5" to 3.5" adapter, here in Belarus, I'll look.

What is a ghost boot disk (network or not) ?  I don't see an option in Ghost 9 to make a boot disk.  I have installed Ghost 9 on a working XP desktop I have, but I don't know if this helps. I might be confused.  Can I on the working PC make a disc that boots up and has Ghost 9 on it and then use that disc to boot crashed laptop and back up the data?

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robertdimsCommented:
David, if you need to recover the data, then you can use the BartPE, its like an XP but boot from CD, I have never use that, but from reference, it should allow networking, so meaning you should be able to 'pull' data off the HDD.

If your HDD is physically damaged, ie. damaged sectors or heads, then Ghost wont be the choice as it will fail while reading the content, its designed for backing up data/image, not for recovery in such case.

HTH
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Fatal_ExceptionSystems EngineerCommented:
By slipstreaming Ghost into Barts, you will have the best of both worlds.  Since I was involved in your other thread, we know that you got your laptop back up and running, and the hard drive is repaired.  I have detailed the process of creating a BartsPE disk on my site, if you wish to visit:

http://www.doverproductions.com/KipSolutions/BootableCDrom/BartsPE.htm

Although I don't put Ghost on this disk in the article, just follow the directions on Bart's site for installing the plugin.  It is extremely easy to do, but of course, you must own a copy of it first.

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davidgareauAuthor Commented:
I've already created the BartPE and the UBCDforWin, I installed Ghost on my laptop and am copying the C:\ to a file on the c:\ drive, which is sort of ass-backwards I think, I mean, when my system crashes again, how can I restore from the c:\ drive the image, but when I tried copying the image to CD-RWs it just sort of frooze on me, so I'll try this first.

If I have the image copied to my hard disk, what good does it do me if my system crashes?
I wanna change the partitions, but, not till I have a backup

david
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davidgareauAuthor Commented:
But what can I do with ghost if it's on a boot disc, I mean, where would the image of my disc be stored and how would I access it?
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Fatal_ExceptionSystems EngineerCommented:
Ghost is used to create the image, and it is not the image itself.  When I want to image a hard drive for backup, I usually just use Ghost and a W98 boot disk.  You create this disk from within Ghost (C:\Program Files\Symantec\Ghost\Ghost Boot Wizard.exe).
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Fatal_ExceptionSystems EngineerCommented:
IN other words, first you create the Ghost Floppy disk, and if it is not bootable, then just use a W98 boot disk to get to a Command Prompt, then put the Ghost Floppy into the drive and run the ghost.exe file.  This will start Ghost, and it will give you options....  You select the source partition, and then the hard drive which you want to ghost the image to..  Make sure you have these correct, as you don't want to image over your drive which holds the data.  Pretty self expanatory after that..

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davidgareauAuthor Commented:
what version of Ghost are you using, I didn't see that file, I am using Ghost 9.0 found in Norton System Works 2005 Premiere Edition. It says that the installation disc is bootable, but here in Belarus, no discs you buy are what they say they are and this one is no exception, I can't use it to boot into the Restore Environment mentioned in the v.9.0 manual.  What files in v.9.0 would I need on my boot disc, and are they WinXP or Dos files, so I make the appropriate boot disc.
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Fatal_ExceptionSystems EngineerCommented:
When installed you should find an option to create a DOS boot floppy from which to run Ghost..  Here is a guide to ghosting an image in DOS...

http://ghost.radified.com/ghost_1b.htm
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davidgareauAuthor Commented:
Fatal Exception.   That guide refers to Ghost 2002/2003, is there any way to make a bootable CD (no floppy on laptop) to run Ghost if using version 9.0.  I can't find it if there is.  And when we say bootable CD are we talking about a bootable disc to start Ghost and then you switch in the DVDs that have the image?  Or do we have the image DVDs themselves bootable?

Thanks.
david
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Fatal_ExceptionSystems EngineerCommented:
Hmm...  not quite sure where we are heading here...  I do not have the 9.0 version, but there is a good pdf manual that will give you the details on how to use it..  Here is the dnload URL:

ftp://ftp.symantec.com/public/english_us_canada/products/ghost/9.0/manuals/userguide.pdf

This version, by itself, can do everything you probably need..  From its own interface, it will allow you to image your drive onto a CD/DVD, and then you can bring the image back by using Recovery Environment, which is reached by booting using the Norton Ghost CD or the Symantec Recovery Disk CD...

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davidgareauAuthor Commented:
I don't have said CD, and I don't think I can make it, so I will end it at that.  I have read endless amounts on Ghost online, and there seem to be very many unhappy users.  I read the entire 100+ manual, and I don't see how I can make the recovery CD, I have the CD files copied on my computer, but I didn't bring the disc with me, (I'm traveling overseas) so I'm sure I could somehow make this disc, but I don't know how.

if anyone knows that I would appreciate it, else I'll try putting the executable ghost32.exe on the BartPE Boot Disc and use that, I don't think the image I made with Ghost 9.0 will work, with Ghost 2003/8.0 (which is the version that has the boot feature, I can also install that directly if I want as it was on the original disc and thus in my files) so I will have to remake it probably.  Another option I am considering is Acronis True Image 8.0 I also read it's manual 81 pages and a lot more articulate and helpful.  I have read more positive stuff about it as opposed to Ghost.  

Anyway, this thread asked why put Ghost on Bart PE and you've all answered that very well, thank you very much.If you have any idea how to regenerate the Recovery Disc (basically before leaving I put all installation files I had into zips, and onto removable media, to save space.  I copied it back to my laptop and installed Ghost 9.0 fine, but I don't know how to compile (re-compile) the original as a boot disk, if you can help with that thanks, otherwise I understand.  

Thanks
david
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