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Is there a MAC OS X workstation or server emulator for PC?  I don't mind paying but it has to work well.  I would like to learn MAC and don't mind purchasing a MAC system but an emulator will be quicker to learn since I can install it on my laptop and pratice when I'm on a plane or sitting at an airport.

Thanks,

Ryan
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Lee W, MVP earned 750 total points
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by:ryandao
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I checked it out previously but didn't follow through.  Have you used this and does it work well?

What I meant is an all-in-one software that has Mac X built-in, all I have to do it run it and it will install Mac X for me.  Much like Virtual PC for Mac.  
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by:Lee W, MVP
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Sorry, never heard of such a thing.  A few years back I saw several MacOS 9.x emulators, but never found one that supported Mac OS X.  A former coworker recommended PearPC to me.  He plays around with lots of stuff... but his recommendation was some time ago.  I'd suggest trying it - it's free.  Of course, you do need a copy of OS X.
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I hope others have better answers else I will have to use PearPC.  The link at windowsdevcenter was where I found out about PearPC.  CherryOS I haven't heard of but it looks like it does the same thing as PearPC.

Do you know of a good Mac X training program on CD or DVD I can purchase?
Thx
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by:Lee W, MVP
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Sorry, I'm more of a PC guy with some minor Mac knowledge - and an interest in learning more.  I generally feel, for myself anyway, that you're just not going to get to learning it as long as you have a PC around.  Thus, you need to switch yourself completely over - at least on a notebook.  I've picked up a fair amount of linux knowledge, but I know I could be MUCH better if I had a notebook that JUST ran LINUX and I used that exclusively at work and when I travel.  Honestly, my suggestion would be - for learning purposes - pick up a cheap, used Mac Notebook on ebay.
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by:Lee W, MVP
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And presumably, Cherry OS should be a bit more stable.  Presumably.  Since they are selling
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by:ryandao
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Since I need my XP laptop for daily work, I figure having OS X on my laptop is the best way to learn it.  A separate machine will not work since I don't think I'll ever turn it on and replacing my XP laptop is not a good idea since I can't take off work a couple of days just to learn OS X.

I hope others have better solutions but if not I will give you half of the points because you don't know much about the solution you have given therefore I will have to spend time trying it out myself.  Hope you're ok with that.

Thx...
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by:Lee W, MVP
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Unfortunately, you can't reduce the value of the question, but you can award me a C grade if you like - in this case, I won't argue with you.

BUT, I would suggest you could always get a Windows Terminal Client for the Mac OS X laptop (if you got one), then connect to a Windows box to do work.  I ran a linux system at work for a couple weeks that way while i rebuilt my desktop - this was over a year ago - and the rdp client was a great way to get around.
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by:jayca
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Why not use MS Virtual PC, and then load a MAC image on it and run it whenever you want? It would be treated as a second machine on the network.

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by:nedvis
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MS Virtual PC is good suggestion and you can find links for one month free trial version.
http://www.microsoft.com/windows/virtualpc/evaluation/faq.mspx
Also you might want to install OpenDarwin  which is open-source OS technology underlying Apple's Mac OS X operating system :  http://www.opendarwin.org/
About Darwin for Intel:
http://www.oreillynet.com/pub/wlg/235

good luck
nedvis
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by:Lee W, MVP
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jayca

have you done this - I can't imagine that working.  Virtual PC emulates x86 hardware.  OS X is for PowerPC hardware - which is totally different.

OpenDarwin is an interesting thought - might be worth looking into

just my opinions...
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by:ryandao
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I'm 99% sure virtual Pc will not operate MAC OS X natively, maybe there is a teak that may work.  As for Darwin, have you tried this Nedvis?  

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by:ryandao
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I went to CherryOS's website then sent them an email to see if they have an verions of their emulator product that is compatible with OS X.  Below is how they answer me...Needless to say I don't recommend CherryOS.  My original email is on the bottom.

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Your email is completely inaccurate and demonstrates a complete and utter lack of knowledge concerning, well, anything! I am truly amazed that you were able to type in three sentences by yourself without hurting yourself. You must be thanking your parents for at least giving you short names to spell.
 
Our web site has neither Mac OS 8.1 nor Mac OS 9. To offer them on a web site would be illegal. Mac OS 8 and Mac OS 9 are commercial operating systems that you purchase on CD-ROM from an Apple dealer, or that you get from us in the mail. You don't get them from a web site.
 
What our site _does_ have are tools and utilities to read Apple Macintosh disks on a PC, and to emulate Apple Macintosh computers on MS-DOS and Windows. Our company develops and distributes these emulators to allow longtime Mac users, schools, and businesses using Macintosh computers to migrate from Mac OS to Windows by allowing them to run their classic Macintosh operating systems (such as Mac OS 8) and classic Macintosh applications (such as ClarisWorks, MacWrite, MacPaint, etc.) on brand new PCs such as Dell workstations, Dell notebooks, Sony VAIO notebooks (as pictured on our web site), etc.
 
Now, you're asking about "Mac OS X", which as you know, or at least should know, has nothing to do with classic Macintosh computers or with Mac OS. 4 years ago Apple essentially threw away its product line of the past 20 years and its operating system of the past 20 years and started fresh with IBM based PCs running Unix. That's what a "Mac" running "Mac OS X" is today - an IBM box running good old 30 year old Unix. No thanks, our web site deals with the real Macs, real Mac OS, and real Mac applications that people have used for the past 20 years. If you just want to run Unix on an IBM box, (boring!!!) you certainly don't need a Mac emulator for that. Buy a PC and install any of dozens of Unix/Linux releases available today. Z-z-z-z. Wasn't Unix popular when television was still black and white?
 
By the way, Apple and anyone refers to the Macintosh as a "Mac", not a "MAC". The term "MAC" is an entirely different technical term used with regards to networking hardware. Please, if you can't even spell something correctly, don't waste your time trying to discuss it.
 
I'm sorry, I have to stop now. I am so grossly disgusted by your email I can't continue. Please refrain from hurling your further stupidity my way again. Good night.
 
- Darek



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From: Ryan Dao [mailto:ryan.dao@daocom.com]
Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2005 2:23 PM
To: info@emulators.com
Subject: Emulator for MAC OS X Server


Hi,
 
I found your site while searching the Internet for a MAC emulator.  I want to train on MAC OS X Server or workstation on an emulator but your site only has MAC OS 8.1 or MAC OS 9.  Do you have an emulator for MAC OS X?  I don't mind paying for it.
 
Thanks,

Ryan Dao
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by:grakem
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I think I will ask him if I can post that email on my tech blog....
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by:icemanwol
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Most people in the mac community belive that cherryos IS vaporware (AKA fake).  They posted some screen shots a while back and you could clearly tell that cherryos was a ripoff of pearpc.  They do not have a product and i dought they ever will.  As for PearPC.  I have successfully installed and got os x running on it.  As the moment what you can do with pearpc is very limited due to speed issues.  At the moment pearpc only runs at 1/15th the speed of the host CPU in the computer.  Which means my 2.66ghz computer runs like a 178MHZ G3 Power PC.  PearPC also has no usb or sound support.  It is more for tinkerers then usefulness.  If you do feel like setting pearpc up, i would be able to assit you in doing so.
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by:icemanwol
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As for Virtual PC and darwin.  Although virtual PC run both on PC and Mac hardware, Virual PC ONLY emulates X86 (PC) hardware and NOT power PC based (mac) computers.  They do have a PC version of darwin, but it's command line only and most mac programs do not run on it and it has very limited drivers.
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by:ryandao
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iceman - thx for the info.  I will definately take you up on your offer.  I purchase MAC OS X off of ebay and will install it as soon as I get it.  What is the best way to get in tough with you?
Thx.
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by:nedvis
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@ ryandao
"... As for Darwin, have you tried this Nedvis?  "
 No, I haven't  but I read a lot about Darwin project at www.osnews.com , where I first learned about it.
  nedvis
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by:icemanwol
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Ryandao, you can contact me at icemanwol AT gmail.com
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Guys,

Thanks for all your help.  I will split the points because leew answered first and icemanwol confirmed working.

Thanks again.
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