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My computer teacher has set up a simple network for me to break into. It's running off novell 95/98. What I need to do is obtain passwords to a supervisor account, an administrator, and limited access accounts. He hasn't named any of the accounts, or told me what type they are. So what I am planning to do is pull up a list of all users, and determine what type of account they are. The only problem is he won't let me physically go on the server computer, and I have a limited access account. Can anyone help me out? I'm not just looking for an answer, I'm trying to understand what's going on here.
Appreciate any help
Brian
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by:Harisha M G
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It is against site policy to post hacking questions.  Please re-read the membership agreement (http://www.experts-exchange.com/jsp/infoMemberAgreement.jsp)

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by:PsiCop
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As mgh says, both posting and answering "how do I hack ....?" Questions is against EE policy. But I will take a moment to point out:

1) "Novell" is a company. It makes many products, one of which is called "NetWare". So one might have a "NetWare network", but not a "Novell network".

2) There is no product called "Novell 95/98". A company called "Micro$oft" did produce a "Windoze 95" and "Windoze 98", sometimes collectively referred to as "Windoze 95/98" or "Windoze 9x".

3) If your "computer teacher" actually exists, and you are asking for help in a "legit hack", then I would expect that:

a) any comptent teacher would have provided you the basics you say you're looking for

and

b) you Question would still be against EE policy since it would involve asking Experts to help with your school work
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by:SunBow
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<heh> This is yet another easy one

> My computer teacher has set up a simple network for me to break into. It's running off novell 95/98.

1) If your teacher thinks you are actually trying to cheat, instead of using your head, you will fail the grade.  Get ready for unemployment line.

2) So the first part of teacher question is to answer that you are resolute in being one who is only going to use the given set of instruction material to accomplish the task presented

3) There is no such operating network environment, which 'should be' a very big CLUE as to what the answer here should be (as in, do not try, there's no way to succeed in life. job, or class by persuing such an elusive gambit to cheat systems
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by:SunBow
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I think that means I concur with PsiCop 2&3

There comes a point in time that someone cares to test you to see what you are made of. Do you have the right stuff.  I think that is my main addition to some prior comments, that sometimes, the answer can be:

"No"

It is possible you could lose a golden opportunity should you choose any other form of answer.
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by:SunBow
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> So what I am planning to do is pull up a list of all users, and determine what type of account they are.

Please do not try so hard to cheat that you lose complete sight of some original question that may not need such cheats (that could only lead to a failure, since in being 'right' answer' it would obviously be incorrect method)

> The only problem is he won't let me physically go on the server computer, and I have a limited access account.

This is not a problem. It is a constraint. It may be limiting, but it is not prohibitive.

> I'm not just looking for an answer, I'm trying to understand what's going on here.

hmmm
You may not be able to enter an administrative command such as "Display".  That does not mean there are no commands available to you.

hmmm
You may not be able to view all administrator stuff, but that is ok, they cannot either, there's this thing about auditing, permitting no one to have all the keys...

hmmm
You may not have access to the Main Console, but you can..........
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by:SunBow
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> I am planning to do is pull up a list of all users
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by:alex_yala
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OK since everyone have their own flavour of answer, I am willing to help you with this.

1. We don't know the username at all
2. We know you don't access to anywhere near the server

You can do one or all the recommendation below:

A. Suck your teacher's ********* until your teacher gave up both username and password

B. Suck your network admin's ********* until your teacher gave up both username and password

I'm sorry but as all the other guys were saying, you are in the wrong forum to ask h4cking questions dude.
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by:SunBow
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Note, that not all OS's are alike in operations, Unix <> Windows <> Netware etc.

For example, with eMail client like Outlook, you do not need to be no superuser to discover which users you can send mail to.  The question is not concerning obtaining passwords for users. The question concerns identifying the other users. The suggestion for how to accomplish that is not only unnecessary, it is inappropriate to the task in such a way as to fail the goal in its obscuring relevant details.
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by:PsiCop
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Actually, SunBow, I think the correct mathematical expression is:

Windoze < NetWare < *NIX

:-)
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by:brianrhg
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First of all, I meant Novell Netware for Windows 95/98, i'm sure most of you knew that but thanks for the smart ass comments anyways. In his own words, my teacher is a "dissiminator of information" he believes if we have to figure it out on our own that we will learn it better than if it was taught to us. He's taught me c++, pascal, and java. So the "basic information" that was given to me was a manual for Novell. Also, i misinterpreted what he wasnted me to do. He wants me to create an administrarive account, and also to print out some text files he created in individual user folders, but I have to do so without it appearing on the log. I figured the easiest way to do this would be to maybe brute force the passwords, but he said I am making it harder than it needs to be, and i'm missing the point. He said the reason he wants me to do this is because I won't be able to set up a secure network until i've broken into one. Anyways sorry about the question, I didn't think asking a question about a two computer network running on out of date software would be a big deal. Do any of you know where I can get some help for some of this?
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by:SunBow
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One of us is misinterpreting a lot.

> I won't be able to set up a secure network until i've broken into one

Teacher has noble thought, perhaps, but pardon the french, ass_backwards. If you have no clue about how networks are run, you have near <nul> capability of doing anything other than making zombies out of neophyte script kiddies.

> do so without it appearing on the log

What log? Who cares? As above, there are variety of admin and audit capabilities independent of kiddie OS.

> he said I am making it harder than it needs to be

I'd like to agree (but...)

> What I need to do is obtain passwords to a supervisor account, an administrator
> He wants me to create an administrarive account,

So create one. You are done.

>  print out some text files he created

OK, print them

There are a variety of ways.

Have you tried any?

Each system has its own ways of protecting files, or, of making files more shareable.

It seems that ought to be what a 'valid' exercise would be about, and that is, for how to share and how to protect documents.  So, make documents available to everyone, print them, and move on to something more interesting than snooping at other people's stuff.

>  where I can get some help for some of this?

Easy:

/quote/
On New Year's Day, thousands of IT professionals lost support for their Windows NT* Server installations, finding themselves without protection against bugs, viruses and malicious attacks.

Join us for a FREE Novell Web seminar series, "Migrate from Windows NT to SUSE LINUX": three therapeutic sessions designed to help you confront your server OS issues, and move on to a better, more open relationship.

http://www.novell.com/products/clients/win9598/quicklook.html
Novell Client for Windows 95/98 product overview
http://www.novell.com/products/clients/win9598/details.html
Novell Client for Windows 95/98 Detailed View
http://support.novell.com/
NOVELL Support
http://support.novell.com/search/kb_index.jsp
NOVELL Support - Knowledgebase
http://www.experts-exchange.com/Networking/Netware/
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by:SunBow
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Netware is C2 compliant, Windows is not. With microsoft you can make your server operate like a desktop and vice versa. Not so for Novell.  BacckAsswards are your (presumed) instructions.

PsiCop > Windoze < NetWare < *NIX

;-))                                                                          'agree
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by:PsiCop
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Again, there is no "Novell Netware for Windows 95/98". It doesn't exist.

There is a "Novell Client 32 for Windoze 95/98". That is a CLIENT software to allow those OS versions to access NetWare-based resources natively (i.e. using NCP over TCP/IP or IPX as appropriate to the Server configuration). NCP = NetWare Core Protocol, kinda like what SMB is for Windoze.

And, actually, SunBow, with *modern* NetWare, you can make the NetWare server look like a CIFS box (just without the BSODs). Heck, as of NetWare v6.5 SP2, the NetWare server can even act as a DC.

And finally, I agree with SunBow that your "teacher" is doing this bass-ackwards.
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:)
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by:SunBow
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brianrhg > asking a question about a two computer network running on out of date software would be a big deal.

A two computer network is not a big deal, and certainly not something requiring hacking when a few simple commands can produce better results more efficiently
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by:SunBow
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PAQ it
IMO a "no" is as valid an answer as a '"yes"
One of the ways to get through a problem is to actually try a few things, for example, to explore the different permission rights to the filing systems. If you do not know how to use a system,and its capabilities, you cannot manage it. In a wider scope, the teacher is correct. Determining access rights is a key to any system admin.
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> he said I am making it harder than it needs to be
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