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In-place upgrade of Win NT 4.0 Server to SBS 2003

Hi.  I have a small office that is running Win NT 4.0 Server with Exchange 5.5 and about 10-12 users.  We want to upgrade to Small Business Server 2003 but our server is fairly new so we want to use the same machine.   I know I can't just upgrade from NT 4.0 Server to SBS 2003 so I was thinking of first upgrading to Win2KSmall Business Server and then upgrading to SBS 2003.  The only issue is that I don't have Win2K SBS and I don't want to have to purchase it just for a temporary step!

QUestions:

1) If I just wanted to do a clean install of SBS 2003, how do I save all of the exchange info (user mailboxes, public folders, etc.) so that I can import into Exchange in SBS 2003?

2) Is there easier way of doing this that I am not thinking of?

3) I accidentally got the OEM version of SBS 2003.  Does that support upgrading?

THanks!
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LazarusCommented:
You can do it without having to buy extra software...

You need to get the Migration Toolkit for starters though: http://www.microsoft.com/windowsserver2003/upgrading/nt4/tooldocs/msfsc.mspx

The File Server Migration Toolkit provides the following benefits:

Simplifies the complex and error-prone migration process
Maintains UNC paths and eliminates broken shortcuts and links
Maintains security settings after the migration
Consolidates shared folders with the same names from different servers
Supports server clusters as source and target file servers
Provides roll-back functionality

Reference:

White Paper:
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsserver2003/upgrading/nt4/tooldocs/msfst_over
view.mspx

Windows Server 2003: Scalable File Server Consolidation
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsserver2003/techinfo/overview/fileconsol.mspx

I hope this helps you out...

Lazarus
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harleyjdCommented:
You won't be able to upgrade in place without problems, and the OEM version doesn't support upgrades, as it is only valid on new hardware.

there is a great guide on SBS4.5 to SBS 2003 here, uses ADMT to transfer User & computer accounts, groups and includes SIDS so no messy profile and permission issues. Exchange data is transferred via the exchange migration wizard that is in-built.

http://www.microsoft.com/windowsserver2003/sbs/techinfo/productdoc/default.mspx

The hardware is going to be a problem, and there is little we can do to help there...

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dcheestAuthor Commented:
Lazarus98:  Thanks for your answer but I'm not sure if you understood my situation.  I need to do in in-place upgrade on the same machine so I can't use the File Server migration toolkit you suggested.  That appears to only work from an old machine to a new replacement machine (a "Migration" vs. an "Upgrade").
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dcheestAuthor Commented:
harleyjd:  Thanks for your response.  I don't really have the option of purchasing a new server and doing a migration as that is a bit beyond our budget (especially when the current server is fairly new).   As far as I can see my only options are

A) upgrade to W2K SBS and then upgrade SBS 2003 (getting a retail version instead of my current OEM version)

B) Save exchange info (save mailboxes as PST files on client machines, export public folders and contacts, etc.) and do a clean install of SBS 2003.  I would then have to manually recreate users, join them to the new domain, and then restore their mailboxes.

Does this seem about right.  Is there a tool for backing up exchange mailboxes?

Thanks!
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LazarusCommented:
dcheest: yes, I did misunderstand your intent, I'm sorry. I personally do not know of any way to upgrade the system the way you want it done, with out some severe drawbacks. The problem being that when you upgrade to SBS is that it is going to wipe out your AD. Beacuse it wants to start it's on. from scratch.

You can go to MS and downlaod some new tools they have for exporting AD info then importing them back to the new Server setup.

Thank ObDa for these links...

The new command-line tools for Active Directory in Windows Server 2003
http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=298882

How To Use the Directory Service Command-Line Tools to Manage Active Directory Objects in Windows Server 2003
http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=322684

Good luck either way here.. Hopefully some nice person will come along and give you some more info here to help you out.
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harleyjdCommented:
What about, and this will be messy, building a temporary server to new hardware, use ADMT to move the accounts and SIDS as described, use EXMERGE (part of the Exchange toolkit on the CD) to move out all the mailboxes. Copy the data to the temp server or to tape.

Trash the nt4.0, build is as SBS2003, admt the accounts back in to the new server, exmerge the data back in, and then copy (or restore) the data back to the server...

It sounds messy, but having the SIDS line up will make things much easier, I promise...

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dcheestAuthor Commented:
Thanks for all of your help.  I think harleyjd has the right answer.  I had sort of arrived at this conclusion on  my own last night but I am really glad to have someone confirm that it is a good idea and to remind me of exmerge!

So my final solution will be:

purchase new hard drive and stick in a temporary machine
load NT 4 server on temp machine
make temp machine a BDC and exchmerge all exchange mailboxes
promote temp machine to PDC and have it take over mail server role
trash current server and reload with SBS 2003
use admt/exmerge to migrate accounts from temp server to SBS 2003
migrate clients to new server
pull out hard drive on temp machine and replace with original

Thanks for all your help!  Looks like I have a great weekend ahead of me!!!

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harleyjdCommented:
yeah, that's better.

I assumed the main server was SBS, so you'd need the double ADMT, but your plan is much better, and will save you issues later...

thx for the points...
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