Should I empty my partitions in preperation for PM ?

Posted on 2005-04-10
Last Modified: 2010-04-03
Hi everyone,  I have two questions in preparation for using PM , First of all  I have a 250 gig hdd which is split up 4 ways
So besides my C :\ drive 10 gig ,  I have three large partitions in a extended. partition..  I am going to use partition magic to make my C drive larger , My question is  I am wondering if I have to delete the one gig of data (the  my documents folders ) ( I do  have them saved to a cd )..  or can I leave them in the 70 gig D drive  I will not be taking any gig away from that partition  , should I still empty it ?
The follow up question  I have three choices here >  I want to take 100 gig from the 130 gig E:\ drive and put it in the C:\,
 I suppose I  could delete the E drive if that makes it easier ?,  or just can I take just the game out ? Or is it ok leave the game in too and take gig from it for C ?  
Question by:zalman00
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    to answer your questions -

    1, PM will resize partitions with the data still in there so you don't need to remove the data beforehand, just be sure there is enough space to cover what you need to take.  Running a Defrag & checkdisk before you start would be good and could save you problems.

    2, You don't have to remove the data from E or remove the partition, PM will resize it as necessary.

    I think if i was you (and i understand what you want to do correctly) -

    backup D and delete the partition,
    backup E and delete the partition,
    resize C with PM
    when PM is done, reboot and get everything back to normal with C and then recreate D and E in Windows.

    The reason i'd do this is to minimise the amount of work PM has to do, the less it does the less risk you have of something goign wrong, but it depends how much work is involved in backing up and restoring the D and E partitions.  PM is pretty reliable but do make sure you have back ups of everything you wouldn't want to lose, i have had it trash a few disks in the past (though i've used it many many times at work over the years).

    Hope this helps,


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    Partition magic can resize and add on partitions in any way you want. It will allow you to move around partitions.

    So resize e:

    Move over the d:

    Then resize the c: and add on the 100 gigs.

    Its pretty easy when you use it, you can see which parts are how big and where they should go.
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    Well, first, do backup your data, because while I use PM, and it almost always works, sometimes there are true disasters (and I'm dealing with one now right here in another thread .... guy apparently lost everything, irretreiveably.  It happens.)

    You don't NEED to delete things first, BUT doing so can make things a LOT faster.  Data that isn't there .... doesn't have to be moved.  However, if you do delete things, you need to empty the trash can as well.  Files that are in the "recycle bin" are just as much a part of the disk as active files, as far as PM is concerned.

    However, I question the wisdom of moving 100 gigs from E: to C: when you "My Documents" folder is on D:  If the My Documents folders and all of your other data isn't on C:, then a 16 gig partition for C: is a big partition.  I have 79 MAJOR sofware packages installed on this PC, including Office, Corel Draw, lots of Adobe software and lots of video editing software, all of the software in "program files" (on C:), and my C: partition is 16 gigs with 5 gigs free, but I have all, and I mean all of my data on E:.  I think that there is some utility to keeping the size of the OS partition "moderate".  10 gigs is small, and I don't question your need to make it larger, but 16 to 32 gigs is plenty  ***IF*** your data is not in that partition (and I mean ALL of your data ... downloads, music, pictures, "My Documents" .....)
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    That's what PM has been made for, to manipulate your partitions without doing anything bad to your data...

    It is still recommended to make a backup of your system though, but you do mention you have, just make sure that backup is OK. I suggest you restore 2 or 3 files from that backup to some unused space on your drive and open it with the programm you created that data with, I have often had problems reading from CDs or DVDs I had previously burnt.

    Another good program which does the same job as PM, only more reliably (so I've been told), is acronis Disk Director Suite.


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    In your opinion I should backup D drive on a cd ...( D is where I have all my documents folders) and then delete D and after that  backup E which only has one game which I could easily uninstall and then delete E  finally then resize C using pm  from  the 200 gig un allocated space , then after that’s done reboot and get everything back to normal in C ? what do you mean by that ?
    and re create D and E using the windows tool for that ?   Can’t I just use pm to do to recreate those deleted partitions,I hate to use xp to do it ?
    This seems like doing it the long way
     My idea was just to clone the C drive with Ghost 9.0 just in case of ruining my xp ect. and then go on to uninstall my one game from E then  delete the E partition the game was on previously and delete the E drive because I don’t think its necessary to have a copy of C on any partition for the purpose of restoration  and take the space previously on E 131gig and give it to the C drive and leave the My docs folders in D
    and F is empty so thats no problem  , so I will have 131 +10 gig 141 gig c drive and 68 gig partition for my personal data  and 24 gig partition for my one or two games
    Quote : You don't NEED to delete things first, BUT doing so can make things a LOT faster.  Data that isn't there:
    OK fine if its easier thats what I will do ,  Its no problem to delete all the my documents folders in the D partition , Its all backed up anyway on a cd . and as far as the one game in E ,( that’s the partition I will delete  or make much smaller ) there is only chessmaster ten edition in there , I could uninstall it for now ..
    Quote : I question the wisdom of moving 100 gigs from E: to C: when you "My Documents" folder is on D:  If the My Documents folders and all of your other data isn't on C:, then a 16 gig partition for C: is a big partition.
    My thinking is as follows :
    Don't forget my total hardrive is 250 gig , I have 2 gig of  personal data in My Documents folder ( seven years accumulation) copy and pasted stuff in word docs, lots of graphics for e mail inserts , lots of photos , and lots of music and probably lots more music , but don’t forget the D partition is 68 gig thats a heck of a lot of gig even for personal data , don't you think ...
      So I could keep my one or two games on the F partition (my 24 gig partition for games)  and delete my E partition 131 gig , yes you are right 141 gig is way too much gig for the C drive I could live with 30 gig in the C drive , but then what would I do with all the rest of the unallocated space as a result of deleting the E partition or downsizing  the E partition to about 10 or 15 gig  it has to go somewhere and I rather have it on C then anywhere else ..
    By the way does it make any difference as far as risk , faster , easier ? if I delete the E drive rather then down sizing it ???
    rindi :Yes that seems like an excellant thing to do but ........
    Quote :I suggest you restore 2 or 3 files from that backup to some unused space on your drive and open it with the programm you created that data

    I understand that I could first try to restore files from my backup by copying and pasting  on one of my three partiions , but what do you mean open it with the programm you created that data,
     I don't follow the meaning of that ? I know your referring to the My Documents program which created that data , but I still don't understand what you really are trying to tell me ..

    Thanks Guys or Gals ?
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    If you restore files from a CD, remember that because they came from a CD, they will be "read only", so you will have to make them read/write if you want to work with them.

    Here is how I have my computer setup:

    C: - 8 gigs, FAT32, has Windows 98 on it
    D: - 24 gigs, FAT32, has XP on it (the system is dual-boot)
    E: - 32 gigs, FAT32, all data for all program in both 98 and XP (including a single "My Documents" folder for both OS)
    F: - 32 gigs, FAT32, data (mostly MP3 music files, thousands of them)
    G: - 32 gigs, FAT32
    H: - The rest of the drive, over 100 gigs, NTFS

    I went to a lot of trouble to get all of the data files on E:, and make them "common" to both the programs installed under 98 and the programs (many of them the same programs) installed under XP.  So if I use outlook to do E-Mail, whether it's under 98 or XP, both programs see the exact same thing, because they are both using the same outlook PST file on E:.

    F, G and H have  a lot of multimedia stuff on them -- music, photos and video work.  They are generic "data" drives, but I was very careful to have all of the space past 137 gigs be in an NTFS partition, since Windows 98 does not support 48-bit LBA and if it were to attempt to access any portion of the space past 137 gigs, the entire drive could be corrupted.

    All things considered, I don't think I'd erase anything that you plan to restore to the same partition later.  But I would erase any "junk", as well as anything that you plan to move from one partition to another.
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    Hi Zalman,
    all of these options are good options and will all get you to where you want to be, its just a case of using the one you are most comfortable with. Each of us has a slightly different way of doing it but thats down to personal experience (good and bad).

    It sounds to me as though you have just about everything backed up, if thats the case and you're happy that you can restore from your backups then you may as well just use PM to do everything for you in one go.  The reasoning behind my suggestion earlier was that if you can delete D its much easier for PM to extend C.  Once PM has finished you should reboot and let Windows sort itself out (sometimes it will detect new drives etc. adn want to reboot, so just get it stable), then recreate D and E and restore your data back - you can use PM or XP to do that, i find XP easier and less risky but they will both do the job so use whichever you are most comfortable with.

    As for size of partitions, again thats down to how you choose you work, personally I would do something like this -

    - C (15 GB)
    - D (80 GB) is DATA drive of this is where i keep all my documents, downloads, e-mail and other 'data'.  
    - E (80 GB) I'll use for Music & Video, this can be MP3/Mpg etc.
    - F (8 GB) a Fat32 partiton that i use this to store ghost images of my C drive.
    - G (60 GB) for Games
    - W (4 GB) Fat32 used for the swap file

    I'll often leave 10 Gig or so un partitioned at the end of the drive, it comes in useful in emergencies or if you fancy playing with Linux etc.


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    Quote :” If you restore files from a CD, remember that because they came from a CD, they will be "read only", so you will have to make them read/write if you want to work with them.”
    I gotta admit , I just got my cdrw dvd rw burner and I don’t know a heck of a lot about them and wow! Or should I say scared ?
     you got me completely confused with that blockbuster statement above  ,
     Heres the deal and please  explain to me if my backups or garbage or can I use them to bring back all my personal data on the restoration .
    ..  , I use nero and incd , doesn’t the  incd program format the cd’s so they are read/write ?
     or doesn’t the fact that my two internal optical drives are both dvd/rw and cdrw mean when I restore they will be read/write ?
    or does it depend on the type of media  your using ?
    are you saying cd-r media  will not work upon trying to restore but a cdrw or dvdrw blank media will read / write upon restoration ? Or if everything I did is wrong , tell me please what am I suppose to do , so that my backups on cd’s will be read/write ? What would I have to do to make them read/write upon restoration  and when you say because I am using cd’s to restore it will not be read / write unless I do something to make them read/write then what does work to restore read/write if not cd’s an external hdd ?
    I have three partitions in an extended partition thats the way its partitioned now ... small C other drives large
    But what I don't understand from your comment is, are you saying I should delete the D partition instead of the E partition because the letter D and the D drive is physically closer to the C drive on my hardrive and therefore it will be faster easier and safer  ? Is that what you mean ?
     Also , I thought If I delete the E drive my F drive  automatically have its letter that is been assigned to  changed to E letter and the D drive letter will just stay the D drive with the same letter anyway ,so I am kinda confused about this ....

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    usually your partitions would be physically next to each other on the disk, c then d the e etc. (though you could change this if you wanted but i dont think you have).  

    I think you should follow Watzman's advice and be sure you can bring back files from your backups, once you are confident with that you should make your changes using PM, i think it will be easier to get the result you want without having to worry too much about manually changing partitions etc.

    I'll let Watzman explain about read only adn how to change it when you restore the files as i have to go out in a few minutes, but don't worry its quite easy to do.


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