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Suggestion of a good SEO forum on the web? A good place to ask questions about Google optimization, etc.?
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Thanks, humeniuk and daverb70. I've visited many forums to get back into the biz (been out of it for a few years -- started originally in 1998) and there's just tons of opinionated unintelligent BS all over the place. People seem to love to weigh in with very uniformed opinions in this area and I've been finding the need to really analyze several questions in different forums to extract useful info.

Plus, when you visit the pages of SEO companies, there's a lot of VASTLY oversimplified scare tactics about those other "bad" SEO companies. Sure, it's the Wild West out there, but how about just telling the intelligent truth instead of spending all your time selling against the other guy? Anyway, enough of my rant. Thanks for the input!
Any book recommendations? Has anyone read http://www.seobook.com/?
It's good to see that you are well aware of the necessity to take everything you read with a grain of salt because that's essential.

Sorry, haven't read www.seobook.com.
SEO is not something that can be done properly with automated software.  While the SEO toolkit appears to have a few useful tools (and some useless ones), I don't see any that aren't available for free online.  The fact that the description of the software starts with this nonsense - "Search Engine Submitter . . . the world's most popular search engine submission software . . . can automatically register your web site(s) with thousands of search engines and web directories . . . Run your own URL submission service . . ." - certainly doesn't add to its credibility.  

The only question is whether you want to be a standard edition sucker ($299.95) or an enterprise edition sucker ($494.95).