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EMachine T6212 Upgrade Limits.

Hello Experts.

What is CPU and Graphic Card upgrade limits for T6212?

( Collaterial concerns:

Does the upgrade invoves any hidden expences like psu, box,  or motherboard upgrades?

I've tried to figure out the motherboard and soket type, but cannot find them in
specs from CompUsa.com and Cnet, they don't post them.

In general T6212 is about $600 and
I am ready to spend extra $70 for 512K memory,
$200 for GeForce 6600 or Radeon PCI-Express.
It must be generic and gaming machine.

)

Thank you.








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beaverton8770
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SirJoshuaCommented:
From what I've seen, the board will support 4 GB of ram, so there shouldn't be any problem there.
As long as you use a PCI-Express x16 video card, you shouldn't have any problems with that, and I don't think I would bother upgrading my CPU if I were you.  From the specs I've seen, your system comes with an AMD Athlon 64 3200+ processor.  Which is a good chip.  It would cost you over $200 to upgrade to just the the 3400+ and you wouldn't see much (if any) of a boost in performance.  
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beaverton8770Author Commented:
Thank you SirJoshua for your insight.

I disagree about cost $200. After two years even Athlon 64 4000+ will be probably less than $200.
I still cannot find main board specs. Moreover, there seems a contradicton between different sources:
Socket 754 or 939:

http://parts.emachines.com/emachines/sys_lookup.asp
CPU, AMD ATHLON64 3200+ 2000FSB 1MK 754P

http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,1759,1790104,00.asp
can be upgraded to a higher-end Socket 939 processor, up to and including the Athlon 64 4000+ processor. With additional cooling, it is theoretically possible to shoehorn an Athlon 64 FX-55 processor and its heat sink into the T6212.

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stockhesCommented:
this should be your board

based on ATI express 200 chipset

MB = MSI-7093

http://www.msi.com.tw/program/products/mainboard/mbd/pro_mbd_detail.php?UID=639

If your PSU has a decent 12 volt line >= 18 amps anything will go
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beaverton8770Author Commented:
Thank you stockhes.

I am slightly confused:
Can you please give me a source of your knowlege that this T6212 has this mainboard?
Is this because you looked inside the case or read some docs?
There seems a contradiction between your link and other sources:

This links:
http://reviews.cnet.com/5208-7586-0.html?forumID=68&threadID=100990&messageID=1160203
http://reviews.cnet.com/5208-7586-0.html?forumID=68&threadID=95334&messageID=1096903

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Give a different link to MSI:
http://www.msicomputer.com/product/p_spec.asp?model=RS480M2-IL&class=mb 
with differently looking mainboard.

2. And, it is called differently:   "MSI Part No: MS-7093 RS480M2-IL"


Thank you.

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stockhesCommented:
for your own link

http://parts.emachines.com/emachines/sys_lookup.asp

MB: MB, MSI-7093 W/ 1394  
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SirJoshuaCommented:
From one of your links, I saw that your chip has a 2000 FSB.  So you are running a socket 939.  If you made the upgrade to the 4000+ processor today, you'd drop around $550.  Even after two years, I don't see the price dropping more than 60% to reach the $200 mark.  Plus, you're 3200 will run at 2 GHz while the 4000 will run at 2.4 GHz.  That's an increase of less than 25%.  You're not going to see a huge boost in the speed of the system.  I personally would stick with the 3200, but I'm normally one for bigger better faster myself so I can see where you're coming from.
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beaverton8770Author Commented:
Thank you stocknes for poiinting to this "MB" line in emachines specification.

However, this does solve contradiction:
emachines refer to "MSI-7093 W/ 1394"
any your link refers to "RS480M2" board and there is no indications that this is
7093 board.

Other refereces provide link to: http://www.msi.com.tw/program/products/mainboard/mbd/pro_mbd_detail.php?UID=639
but this is RS480M2-IL.

Thank you SirJoshua for consider cost/productivity trade off. But, your cosideration probably
misses L2 cach role. Unfortunately, there still is a discrepancy in documentation:
my reference book"Scott Mueller's. Upgrading and Reparing PCs. 2005 Que Publishing."
says that
ADA3200EP5AP 3200+ 2.0 GH  L2=1Meg
ADA3200EP5AR 3200+ 2.0 GH  L2=1Meg
ADA3200EP5AX 3200+ 2.2 GH  L2=512K
but CompUSA and CNet scpec say that L2 is 512.
(Does ever one knows what this CPU really is?)

Finally, the probably most important consideration is missed.
Power supply. EMachines specs says 300W.
How much upgrade will this allow? Is this ATX? Will the
additional HD and Graphics card overdraw th psu?

Thank you.
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SirJoshuaCommented:
Good call on the L2 cach.  Emachine's website has your chip at 512 and the 4000 would have 1 meg.  I don't know if that would be enough to make me switch, but it's something to think about.

Powersupply:  I don't think that adding an aditional harddrive and video card would overdraw your current psu.  (note:  when you make the video card upgrade, be sure to disable the onboard video card in the bios to free up some RAM)  I cann't find any info about wether or not your board supports SATA hard drives.  If it does I would go with that as they require less power than the ide
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beaverton8770Author Commented:
Thank you  SirJoshua.

What I am saying is that EM's information is probably incorrect.
If L2=512, then CPU is 2.2.Gig not 2.0.
But, it CPU is 2.0, L2=1Meg.

Psu is probalby ok. It's sad that EM do not print specs.

For SATA:
Link to one mainboard http://www.msi.com.tw/program/products/mainboard/mbd/pro_mbd_detail.php?UID=639
says:
• An IDE controller on the ATI® SB400 chipset provides IDE HDD/CDROM with PIO, Bus
  Master and Ultra DMA 66/100/133 operation modes
- Can connect up to 4 IDE devices

• Serial ATA/150 controller integrated by ATI® SB400
- Up ot 150MB/s transfer rate
- Can connect up to 2 serial ATA devices
- Supports RAID 0 or RAID 1

Link to another mainboard:
http://www.msicomputer.com/product/p_spec.asp?model=RS480M2-IL&class=mb
says similar things.

Althogh I still don't know which mainboard it really is, does this info means that
I can buy SATA HD? (I hope EM did not remove the SATA socket from MB to save 10c.)




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