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One PC and two Network, HOW???

Hello everybody i need your help and tutorial
OK here is it .
I have following things with me in my hand - 2 network cards and My PC
One PC with win2000 and with a network card with iP 169.254.100.3- This is my Machine.
Now Im on the first floor.
We have a network just below and its a seperate network connected to the server by 16 port HUB. The IP of that network is 192.168.100.x........

Now the problem is whenever there is any update to be done, i have to go down and putthe files and do the update. Now my manager asked me to bridge my PC to that network so that I can update and access the network in the second floor RIGHT FROM MY PC. But i don't know the way about. Please tell me how can I do this. HOw can i access that network from my PC as mine and hthe other IP are different. But I have one more ethernet card. Can that be of any help?.....plz help


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rindiCommented:
First a question. Where did you get your IP from? IP's starting with 169 usually indicate something isn't working correctly...
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VBpassionAuthor Commented:
It's my private personal LAN, i just put any IP i wanted......so we kept 169.254.100.3....And there is not problem in my office ....its perfect.??
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rindiCommented:
IP addressing has been standardized, where most addresses are reserved for the internet, but there are some address ranges which aren't used on the internet. One of these ranges is 192.168.xxx.xxx, so for local use you should use an IP range which is reserved for local use (like the range of your Office).

2nd. question:

How is your private lan connected with the office lan? what hardware do you have? What does your private lan consist of (Switches, routers, access points etc.)?
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VBpassionAuthor Commented:
Hi rindi..
ok I think there is still some onfusion...let me give u the crystal clear view..
Ok there are two floors our building,

First Floor - its me, My office -3 PC's Connected with hub. IP address 169.254.100.xx

Second Floor- Another Network, Main Server(192.168.100.1) This is the Domain Server W2k. There 8 users connected to this server by 16 port HUB. All users using w2k.

I think now i have given a very clear view and does not require any further info. I have even told you how my network is connected. and how the other network is connected. And for your any other questions. Yes i do have free ports available in both of my HUbs?.
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rindiCommented:
OK, here is a link with a reasonably detailed paper on the private allocatable address ranges. I suggest you use the class C range like your office does. There should be no problem in adding the three PC's to the range your office uses.

http://www.michna.com/kb/IpAddressesPrivate.htm

Then you won't need anything else, except a cable connecting the two hubs together (depending on the hub's capabilities, you might need a "crossover" cable for that).

If you want to keep the 2 networks separate, one possibility is to add a 2nd network card to your main PC, connect that network card to the office hub (normal ethernet cable needed), then give that network card an ip address of your office range.

Then, if you have windows XP installed on your PC, you can use the ICS (internet connection sharing) wizard to setup the rest of your home network so they can access the internet. This wizard will setup a new ip range for your home network (192.168.0.x, I believe it is...). This wizard is self explanatory and there should be no need to explain it further here, except if you come across problems.

Another possibility is to setup a router, which on the wan side is connected to the office network and on the lan side is connected to your home hub.

Routers normally have a webbased software which you use to configure them.

A further possibility would be to install a wireless lan access point in the office, and another one at your home which has "bridging" functions, then you would need the network cable.
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pseudocyberCommented:
According to RFC 3300, "169.254.0.0/16 - This is the "link local" block.  It is allocated for communication between hosts on a single link.  Hosts obtain these addresses by auto-configuration, such as when a DHCP server may not be found."
http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc3330.html

Although you can use this network, it's not the best practice since this is what machines assign themselves when a DHCP server can't be found and its very possible someone plugging in could choose the same IP as one in use.

As for the second network, simply plug it into your unused card.  As long as you don't enable routing or bridging on your PC, your PC will be dual homed and will know how to reach each network via it's own routing table which can be viewed from the "route print" command at the command line (DOS shell for us old timers).

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savoneCommented:
Simple:  Install both NICs in one PC.  Plug a network cable from both networks into one of the nics.  If everything is setup for DHCP (both networks and both nics) your fine.  done deal.  

NOTE: Make sure the networks have different IP schemes or there will be a problem - Probably crash one of the DHCP servers!

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VBpassionAuthor Commented:
/*Rindi , pseudocyber and Savon all of you read my comments for all of you i have written one by one. */

GUYS GUYS GUYS....whats going on, Im so tensed and on top of that you all making me more crazy. What are you all talking about. I think I have described my problem in most most crystal clear way and in laymans words describing my building floor and how many machines I have on each floor and how they are connected. How more stupid can I sound?. Well I have written down the comments for All of you one by one Rindi , pseudocyber and Savon.

First of all  ' Rindi ' - now what are you talkign about XP and all stuff. I clearly mentioned that Im running on Win2000. Let me tell once again, I HAVE A MACHINE WHICH IS CONNECTED TO A HUB AND HAVE AN ETHERNET CARD. THE IP OF "MY" ETHERNET CARD IS 169.254.100.3. That's all. And........I HAVE ANOTHER NETWORK ON THE OTHER FLOOR WHICH HAS DOMAN CONTROLLER AND THERE ARE 8 USERS CONNECTED TO THE SERVER. EACH USERS HAVE THEIR OWN USER NAME AND IT IS AUTHENTICATED BY THE DOMAIN CONTROLLER. THE IP ADDRESS OF DOMAIN CONTROLLER IS 192.168.100.1. Now I don't know how on earth can i write more simpler than that. I sound totally stupid. And my problem now is i have one more extra NIC card, how can it help me to connect to my other network of 192.168.100.1..

Thats my simple question. And i don't know what are you ppl talking about.

Now to ' pseudocyber ' ---Did i ever mention anything about DHCP, i mentioned so clearly that its a very simple network of just 3 machines. NOW where the hell did DHCP come from. I don't know where are your dragging the problem.

Now to ' savone ', the first thing you mentioned i think i can digest that, that seems to be somewhat but i really can't get what u said about "Install both NICs in one PC"....on which PC...on my pc or on the domain controller the server which is on the other network.

-The NIC card which is in my machine is ALREADY plugged in to the hub of my network. So what shall i do now, "shall i insert another NIC card in my machine and plug it to the hub of another machine". if i do that than what IP address shall i give, i guess i will ahve to give 192.168.100.7. ok even if i do that then how do I bring my machine as the workstation in that domain controller so that i can connect and login with a username/password on the server.

DO you get my point....and please do go haywire, its so simple, NO DHCP.


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VBpassionAuthor Commented:
TO SAVONE only

Savone, domain controllers have domain name like myoffice.com.....and each workgroup inorder to be the client of that server has to come under its domain by having its name underthat domain, if the name of my computer is mycomp...then inorder to logg become a workgroup of that domain i have to make my pc as " mycomp.myoffice.com".

so lets say if the domain name of my other network which is on the second floor (192.168.100.1) is myoffice,.......then if i connect the extra NIC card in my machine and give it and IP of 192.168.100.7...then HOW can I logg in to the server, ofcourse i will just be able to ping, how to LOGG IN.....i will have to make my machine as workgroup of that Domain isnit it??...so how will i do that. ...

Please correct me if IM worng as im really gone nuts and crazy...
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savoneCommented:
Now to ' savone ', the first thing you mentioned i think i can digest that, that seems to be somewhat but i really can't get what u said about "Install both NICs in one PC"....on which PC...on my pc or on the domain controller the server which is on the other network.


Sorry:
On your Win200 Machine (YOUR MACHINE ON THE 1ST FLOOR) install two NIC cards.  You should have a couple slots open unless you are loaded with cards.  

So now that you have 2 nics installed in your machine all you have to do is plug a network cable into each nic from each network.


[YOUR MACHINE WITH 2 NICS ON THE 1ST FLOOR]
                     NIC1             NIC2
                     /                       \
                   /                           \
         NETWORK 1               NETWORK 2
        (169.x.x.x)                     (192.168.100.x)
       

As long as there is a DHCP server on each network ready to hand out addresses you should have no problems.
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VBpassionAuthor Commented:
Wow Savone, that was a clear and wonderful explaination. THis answers you doubt.

But what aboout my second question.

Right now My machine(169.254.100) is just a standalone workgroup. Right now the name of my machine is "Mycomputer".

Now after I do what you just instructed, and after plugging in the another NIC card and giving it an IP of 192.168.100.x.....how will i be able to login to the server which is on the second floor. HOW?....yes i have myown username and passsword there.? I do have an account on the server. But my question is how will i be able to login to that server?.  

SHall i make my computer a part of Domain workgroup. and make it as

   "    mycomputer.myoffice.com " 

Please tell me ....and guide me
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savoneCommented:
Well if the server is in a domain you will have to become part of the domain.  

But basically get the IP address or machine name to the server and write it down.

Then goto Start>Programs>Accessories>Communications>Remote Desktop Connection

Ooops, your using windows 2000 download the client from microsoft
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/downloads/tools/rdclientdl.mspx

then install and run that app.  When it starts up with will ask you for the computer name or address.  type in the IP or the computer name and you will come to a familiar windows login screen.  Use the username and password you have for that server and you will see the desktop like you were sitting in front of that computer.

NOTE:  Ask the server admin to make sure you have access to terminal services.  You should by default have access unless someone took it away.

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botanophobikCommented:
Remote Desktop would be the best.  Once you install the second card like Savone suggested, just setup one of the workstations or the server to run Terminal Services and make sure your account on the Domain is setup to connect.  Download that client and it'll be like you're right infront of the computer.  This will preserve the current setup you have in your office if you'd like to keep it the way it is so you don't have to actually make your PC join the domain.
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savoneCommented:
Thanks botan, Im good hu? :)  Im just joking, but I beleive that will be the easiest and best solution for you.  best of all its all FREE! :)
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pseudocyberCommented:
>>Now to ' pseudocyber ' ---Did i ever mention anything about DHCP, i mentioned so clearly that its a very simple network of just 3 machines. NOW where the hell did DHCP come from. I don't know where are your dragging the problem

It came from you saying you have 169.254.x.x address.  I gave you a snippet of RFC 3300 which mentions what when a machine cannot reach a DHCP server it will give itself a 169.254.x.x address - which is why "the hell" you shouldn't use them.

If you were really so smart, you would have seen a ways up in this post that all you have to do is plug the other network's cable into your unused NIC and give it an address on that network.

For a measly 80 points, it's not worth the trouble of putting up with your rants.

Consider me unsubscribed to this thread, buh bye.
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VBpassionAuthor Commented:
Hey guys, ...thanx a lot ,...you al been extremely helpfull,.....now let me try and see what happens, and i will come back and throw my view later on if everything workd fine as savone suggested.....points will be for the right person.

and ' pseudocyber ' ..plz don't be mad at me, listen dude, as i had already mentioned that i was irritated and agitated by this task and im sorry if i have hurted u, please do no take it pesonally. this is a community and we are here for helping people and sharing our knowledge regardless of points. so cmon gimme a smile pal.

And keep the thread going and mean while i will try one of the best solution posted and if i have any probs, i'll come back again.....SAVONE keep your ears open,..I might be back:)

Thanx EVERYONE
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VBpassionAuthor Commented:
HEYY savoneeeeeee  Im gonna kill u.

Ok the thing what u told works. but only 50%.. This is not what i exactly want. Now as i had told u that , in my office we have got 3 machines. And all of these 3 machines are connected by hub. Now as per your instructions i connected the extra NIC card in MY machine...and then im able to do remote connection.....but that works only with my machine.....Only i can access the othernetwork which is on the first floor.

But what about the other 2 machines which are in my office....they are not able to access the other network to which Im connected. SO my question is how can the other people from MY office connect to the first floor network by the solutions u suggested. By your way, since the NIC card is in my machin , only im able to connect. HOw can other 2 people connect as now all of us are connected by hub and new NIC card is also in my machine.

Reply fastttt plzzzzzzzz My manager is pissed offf...
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VBpassionAuthor Commented:
I wann Bridge these 2 networks.....how ...??...
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VBpassionAuthor Commented:
I wanna make this extra NIC as Router.....guys plz help..im helpless...HELP
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