Big difference in monitor between Dell P780 and E193FP?

Right now i have this monitor:

http://support.dell.com/support/edocs/monitors/p780/En/intro.htm?c=us&l=en&cs=04&s=bsd

and am quite happy with it (had it for 6 years or so) but may be buying another dell (probably a 4700 as my pc is also 6 years old).  Through the small business section, they have an "outrageous deal" where you get a free 19in dell flat panel.

details here:

http://support.dell.com/support/edocs/monitors/E193FP/English/specs.htm

Will this give a better quality view than the one i have now as i have heard some flat panels may not be the best as far as showing colors accurately etc?  If not i was thinking about selling it on ebay as they go for about 200 or so.  Any thoughts?  I want to be able to edit photos and do graphic design work...  Any idea on where to find coupon codes?
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TheRookie32Asked:
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TheRookie32Author Commented:
Would it be worth it and is there a huge difference if i were to upgrade to the 19 inch Ultrasharp™ 1905FP Digital Flat Panel?
tonkajeep34Commented:
The difference between the CRT and the 193 should be very noticable. The main difference between the two lcds is the fact that the 193 has a 500:1 contrast ratio the 1905 has a 800:1 I've got an older viewsonic LCD at home that has a 350:1 and the 193 at work. the difference is amazing. the one at home looks dingy.

The thing that the 1905 has that the 193 does not is DVI imputs and a built in USB hub. The DVI is great for the future and the usb hub is a nice little touch.

Worth a huge differnce in price... IMHO probably not. but if you can get it for just a little more... yeah i would.
rindiCommented:
I'd get a larger monitor, like 20" or 21", as up to 19" you only get a resolution up to 1280x1024, and with the larger models you also get the higher resolution, which is very important in grafic design. In my point of view the difference in the colors to a crt monitor is not that big anymore, so that should not be a problem. I guess it would be best for you to go and have a "hands on" look at various monitors, as a lot can be based on your subjective view.
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Dynamic1Commented:
There will be a HUGE Picture Quality difference. I have every High end Dell Flat panel from 17 to 24 Widescreen. The 1901FP and 1905FP are in a class of there own and worth every penny more.
Dynamic1Commented:
BTW Rookie also get a DVI Graphics card if you do ot have one this really makes the Monitor shine. Dell is good they give you both cables anyway.
staticaticCommented:

  Get th
staticaticCommented:

 GET THE FLAT PANEL LCD. Up untill now I always thought a flat panel was a crt monitor that had a non curve front display area or screen.  LCDs are so much better. CRT monitors "paint" the picture on the screen a line at a time, we do not see this scanning, but I am told that our eyes and brains do and it causes fatigue.  Also there is associated radiation and a big bulky display.  With LCDs all this is gone.  My LCD and just about everyone I have seen, and have done this with mine, is detachable from it's base and mounted the lcd monitor to the wall via the four attachment bolt holes on the back. You can rig something or get an aftermarket wall bracket....really gives alot of room on the desk, where that monster crt use to be, even if you keep the lcd on it's stand.
TheRookie32Author Commented:
@dynamic1 = the only options for a card i have are:  

Integrated Intel® Graphics Media Accelerator 900
-or-
128MB PCI Express™ x16 (DVI/VGA/TV-out) ATI Radeon™ X300 SE  
 
how much would a video card be to buy at newegg or something?  If i get it with the integrated intel graphics, can i swap it out or is it integrated?
tonkajeep34Commented:
If you get the second option it has the DVI output on it.

Just look for a card with DVI out like the one above. Most cards today will *probably* have DVI outputs on them

I just took a look at a site and even the ones at $40 had DVI out on them
http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/ProductList.jsp?ThirdCategoryCode=012205&SortBy=B&Brand=ASUS

if you get the integrated it's built onto the motherboard, however it still has a slot for a sepearate card and usually you can disable the integrated one and put in another.



TheRookie32Author Commented:
What exactly is DVI?...

also im not really doing the design or photo editing for a job, just more of a hobby.
Dynamic1Commented:
Digital Video Interface I am pretty sure it stands for. What it does instead of VGA it keeps it all digital all the way to the monitor. With VGA it has to be converted to analog then back to digital at the monitor again which loses quality along the way. The X-300 has a DVI output it is a nice midrange card.
StammesOpferCommented:
I just would like to point out that if you do decide to put a video card in make sure that it use the proper slot from the options that you were given it looks as if you need a PCI-express video card however it is also possible that they may use a different motherboard if you want a add-in video card no metter what you will be able to add a video card it is just a matter of if you have to use PCI-express, AGP, or PCI (a PCI will work no matter what since all boards have pci slots however that is the least desirable option since it provides the worst bandwidth other than that you wil have an agp or a PCI-express not both so that is an important thing to check

Hope this helps.
StammesOpfer
TheRookie32Author Commented:
The only options i have for the pc i am building from dells site are the two i mentioned above:

Integrated Intel® Graphics Media Accelerator 900
-or-
128MB PCI Express™ x16 (DVI/VGA/TV-out) ATI Radeon™ X300 SE  

PCI express be ok ya?
StammesOpferCommented:
pci- express is the newest fastest best interface right now so yea that would be just fine

StammesOpfer
TheRookie32Author Commented:
any idea on what store a person would be able to have a look at the monitors before i buy one?
tonkajeep34Commented:
Main problem with Dell for people who like to get their hands on stuff before you buy...

Depends on where you live. Here in Dallas there are some dell kiosks in some of the local malls that have Some of their hardware.
Locataion finder:
http://www1.us.dell.com/content/topics/segtopic.aspx/kiosk?c=us&cs=19&l=en&s=dhs

You could also goto you local best buy or fry's and take a look at the monitors there. if you can find one that has similar specs you should be ok. the actual LCD panel is made by only a few manufactures so they'll be fairly similar.
Dynamic1Commented:
Rookie the 1905FP has an amazing picture and response time. Get the ATI X-300 and the 1905FP. You will not be disopinted I have yet to have a customer who did not like either the 1701FP, 1901FP,1905FP,2001FP,2005FP and the 2405FP I have sold all of them on custom installs they are great. Just dont skimp the Integrated graphics are not a good match for a high end monitor. If dells site lets you pick the X-300 it is a PCI-E Card the newest Tech good luck and enjoy.
willcompCommented:
Take a look at Dimension 9100 with 20" ulta sharp flat panel monitor.  It's an even better deal for your needs.  More video card options, faster CPU, no integrated graphics, better expandibility.

http://www1.us.dell.com/content/products/features.aspx/outrageous_desktops?c=us&cs=04&l=en&s=bsd
Dynamic1Commented:
Will that Dimension 9100 comes with a 2005FP its a widescreen a little bit cheeper then the 2001FP. And its very wide I am on one now :>) I like it for gaming mostly. The 1901 or 2001FP are a better all around monitor.
willcompCommented:
Dynamic1, you're right.  It is a widescreen! Just plain missed that little tidbit.  Still a darn good buy on that system though.
Dynamic1Commented:
Yes it still is a nice screen though. Just have to run it at 1680x1060 Native for it to look good :>) DVDs are awsome though and games
TheRookie32Author Commented:
Ya i was looking at that.  So the 2005FPW is better than the 1905FP?  Bigger but not as good of contrast ratio but does have a faster response time... Which do you reckon is better?  Is having a widescreen monitor a bit odd for working on stuff?
Dynamic1Commented:
Rookie I like the Widescreen. Also it is good for 2 windows next to one another. I have had all of them and Dell makes Excellent monitors there computers I dont really care for but LCD are great from dell. I have a 1901FP which is what the 1905 replaced and it is awsome too. So basically it is up to you which contrast suits you. I am going to sell my 2001FP and keep the 2005FP wide for now but I will probally buy 2 24 Inch monitors as I do alot of multitasking with Photoshop and my web sites.
Dynamic1Commented:
BTW you will never notice the difference in responce time or contrast rate. I play counter Strike competitively and never see ghosting ever. Even with DVDs with alot of action they look great.
TheRookie32Author Commented:
@dynamic - in one thread you said to get the 1905FP but you also said to get the 2005FPW...  ;)  Which has better picture?  Noticable difference or the FPW just bigger?  (im going to a kiosk tomorrow to check them out.)
rindiCommented:
When you have a 19" and a 20" tft monitor to choose from, allways get the 20", because, as I said before, for your use of the monitor you will need a good resolution, and with lcd monitors up to 19" you only get resolutions up to 1280x1024, so if you move from a 17" Display (they have the same resolution usually) to a 19" one the main difference you get is larger pixels, not really usefull. 20" displays go up to 1600x1200 or 1680x1050 with the wide version like the 2005fpw, which is a difference and usefull (although I'd probably get the 2001fp because 1600x1280 is more usefull for graphical work, the wide screen is mainly usefull for multimedia, like watching DVD's and playing around). You probably also won't need the fastest response time, as you aren't getting the monitor for gaming. The picture on the 20" will be much finer compared with that of a 19".
Dynamic1Commented:
Rindi even in high FPS games there is no noticable difference. I have had every monitor from the 1901FP to the 2005 I am using now. For me I like whe widescreen better then the 2001 only beacuse I can work on more then 1 window at a time and it looks fine. 2 IE screens for instance fullscreen fit side by side perfect.
TheRookie32Author Commented:
my choice is between the 2005fpw and the 1905FP...  wont let me select others...
rindiCommented:
You can probably also fit two browser instances next to each other on a 2001fp, as it has a resolution of 1600x1200, it is almost as wide as the 2005fpw (only 80 pixels less), but it has a bigger usable area from top to bottom (230 pixels more).
rindiCommented:
Which PC model? I'm sure you also can get a bigger choice. Otherwise the 2005 is still a lot better than 1905...
Dynamic1Commented:
Rookie thats it for that Free monitor special. the 1905Fp or the 2005FP thats why I was hinting twards the 2005FP it is great. You will love it if not Dell gives you 30 days to get your money back.
TheRookie32Author Commented:
when you say 2005FP you mean 2005FPW correct?
Dynamic1Commented:
Yes sorry same thing :>)
Dynamic1Commented:
TheRookie32Author Commented:
dang my browser resized the pic so its not "full size" looks huge though
TheRookie32Author Commented:
Ya i think i will prob go with the 9100 as it comes with the 2005 FPW which has better resolution than the 1905 FP and has a bigger screen.  Also the 9100 seems to be more expandable which will be good too.  After i added all the upgrades to the 4700 that the 9100 has, it was about 100 dollars difference...
Dynamic1Commented:
Its Big. Get it you will love it. I am getting rid of my 2001FP beacuse I like this one so much, And the 2001FP is more expensive.

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TheRookie32Author Commented:
you mentioned running it in the 1680x1060 Native mode.  whats that?  website says it goes to 1680x1050.
Dynamic1Commented:
Yeah meant 1050 sorry.
rindiCommented:
Thanks.
TheRookie32Author Commented:
Was tough to split up points for this one...  Everyone happy?  :$
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