Soundcard lcoking up pc after upgrade hardware !

hi fellow Experts.  Here is my problem.

Running Xp home and have sucsessfuly been using dman midiman pci audio card.  Originally I had it in an IMB Aptiva with onboard sound (crystal) but had to dissable onboard to load midiman card drivers etc...

Then had it working in a new pc without onboard sound and no problems.
Yesterday I upgraded the following,

Motherboard A8vmx ASUS
CPU AMD athlon 1800mhz  (formaly pentium 111 250 mhz)
Ram  1 gig  ( 2 chips)

I had to reinstall and reactivate xp to even get the thing booted up but before it would boot I had to remove the only pci card on the board (dman).  once booted and all is fine i dissable onboard sound card, told bios to use plug n play os and even dissabled a com port to make sure there was a spare irq for the card to use.
Plugged in the card and poof !  It hangs once I click on my user account (loading preferences) is displayed then a black screen and hangs.

I've tried other cards (lan cards etc..) in the pci slots and they work.  I know the cxard works cuz I try it on another pc and it finds it.

The strange thing is, even when I try to run the software driver program in hangs as well (just the hourglass showing)
I have the latest driver software.  in the manual it says drivers MUST be installed before card.  Also must have directx 5 or above.  I have latest directx.

Possible causes is irq conflict however I can't seem to get it resolved.
Any ideas ?  
p.s.  I know the motherboard can run the card as I've seen other setups similar to mine on the net.

Regards
Elvin
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joinaunionCommented:
Your board only supports AC'97 audio with S/PDIF out function.
The card you try to put in the pci slot must comply with pci.
Have you updated bios to latest bios?http://support.asus.com/download/download.aspx?SLanguage=en-us
Note: your sound is a shared resource it does not need assigned irq.
This is according to manual listed on asus web site.
So what I would do is load default settings in bios then put the card in and reboot see if problem occurs again.
Mark BradyPrincipal Data EngineerAuthor Commented:
Updated bios ?  Yes.  Downloaded 'via hyperionpro v504a' and installed it from the link you provided.
I have 'afudo5.exe' which is the flash program and 'a8v-mx-asus-0503.rom' but cannot figure out to do that process to do the flash upgrade so don't know wether the chip or bios was upgraded.  these files recommended by a friend with the same euipment but not the same soundcard.
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Mark BradyPrincipal Data EngineerAuthor Commented:
<The card you try to put in the pci slot must comply with pci>  ???  The card is a pci card and has always worked so I don't understand that statement sorry.  Remember I said it has been working with xp sp2 for over a year now before the motherboard upgrade.  There must be a way to fix this motherboard issue.
I'm increasing points to 500
Shane Russell2nd Line Desktop SupportCommented:
You should of gotten a driver disc with the asus motherboard , stick that in and on the utilites page there will be a list of utils you can use, it even explains what each one does, read that and there should be one to auto update the bios :)

That is how I updated my bios and I have a P4P800 E Deluxe.

If you need more help post back with regards to updating the bios that is.
Mark BradyPrincipal Data EngineerAuthor Commented:
ok going to try that now thanks.  I'll post back in a few...
Shane Russell2nd Line Desktop SupportCommented:
With regards to that auto update the bios, you need the latest bios rom file and you should just be able to click on the browse button and select the rom file and click on update ( Make sure it is the correct rom file specifically for your motherboard !!! )

Then click on update, it should come up with a command prompt, dont close it or power down the system whilst it does the update !!
Mark BradyPrincipal Data EngineerAuthor Commented:
ok installed and ran the update bios program.  It won't connect to the ftp server on asus.  Tried the manual download option with same results.  where is the browse button ? Is that on the CD ?
Shane Russell2nd Line Desktop SupportCommented:
there should be a browse button for the bios update application so that you can browse your computer to manually find the rom file ie the bios update file.
Shane Russell2nd Line Desktop SupportCommented:
1] Find the rom bios file from the asus site that is specifically the latest bios update for your motherboard, download it to somwhere that you can easily find.

2] open up the auto updater asus application from the cd and then navigate to the bios update rom file.

3] Click on update.
Mark BradyPrincipal Data EngineerAuthor Commented:
ok did that and after reboot error message saying 'checksum bad'  F1 for setup or F2 to load default values and continue.  I choose F2 obviously.  Hmmm why the checksum bad after the flash update ?
Shane Russell2nd Line Desktop SupportCommented:
Here is a PAQ :

http://www.experts-exchange.com/Hardware/Q_21604241.html

Also which BIOS update file did you get ?

Shane Russell2nd Line Desktop SupportCommented:
It looks like they have put them into zip / compressed files , did you extract the bios file before you ran the update ?

Sorry I didnt mention that :-S I havent done it in a long time and forgot about that part :(
Mark BradyPrincipal Data EngineerAuthor Commented:
Yes Gecko I extracted the zzip files into a folder.  The bios update I downloaded from asus (the latest version) is
'afudo5.exe' which is the flash program and 'a8v-mx-asus-0503.rom'  which is the actual rom file update.  
Shane Russell2nd Line Desktop SupportCommented:
That sounds odd, the only time I had issues like that myself was when the motherboard was faulty and I returned it and replaced it under warranty.

Re download the bios rom file from there website and make sure its a valid download ie it isnt corrupt.

Then use the ez flash bios app / utility off of your cd and try and do it that way , obvioulsy making sure to extract it from the zip file.
Shane Russell2nd Line Desktop SupportCommented:
I would suggest you get your motherboard manual out and in section 4 ( at least in my motherboard manul ) it explains what you have to do to update the bios.

Have a read through that.
Mark BradyPrincipal Data EngineerAuthor Commented:
Any ideas on why the software driver 'install' button freezes ?  This is the actual latest driver program but it was only written for as late as win98.  However, as I said before I have run this on xp before and it installed the drivers for my card.  
Shane Russell2nd Line Desktop SupportCommented:
when you say driver software button freezes do you mean for the sound card ?
Mark BradyPrincipal Data EngineerAuthor Commented:
ok thanks.  Also, I have just checked the bios version and it seems that the flash update worked even though it gave me checksum error.  I'm trying the card again now
Shane Russell2nd Line Desktop SupportCommented:
Also I would recomend with regards to installing your sound card instead of using that install exe, right click on my computer --> hardware tab --> Device manager and find the audio card ( even if it has an exclamation mark next to it double click on it ( Same as right clicking and going to properties )

Then go to the driver tab --> click on the button to install the driver ( It will probably say Re Install Driver or update driver ) or something like that.

When it comes to the dialog box that asks you to choose this one ( Recomended ) or w/e it says , click the other option with regards to finding the driver yourself and do the same again and then click on the button that says have disk.

Nagivate to your cd and see if you can find any relevant area on the disc ie that are windows 2000 drivers or something to that extent and click ok and see if it will install windows 2000 drivers unless that cd specifically has windows xp drivers ( If it does obviously use those )

If not then I would suggest you try and find windows xp drivers from the manufacturers website or www.driverguide.com

I would be tempted to contact asus and or the supplier of the motherboard ( ie the place you got the motherboard from ) to enquire about the bad checksum error and to see if it has updated your bios.
Shane Russell2nd Line Desktop SupportCommented:
ok fair enough. good luck !!
Mark BradyPrincipal Data EngineerAuthor Commented:
So far so good.  I installed the card and it actually let me into windows this time.  Found new hardware come up and it found all the devices on the card.  Then it said 'Windows need to reboot to load drivers' and then before I could click anything it went black screen and locked up.

So far, it seems the bios update worked as it allowed me into windows with the card in.  Still working on it...... Grrrr
Shane Russell2nd Line Desktop SupportCommented:
I have never come across a sound card like that, personally I have a sound blaster live 7.1 audigy 4 pro, so I didnt have any issues :)

You can get 5.1 creative lab sound cards really cheap on ebay so might be worth while upgrading your sound card ?

I could be wrong though , is that card like a 7.1 sound card or just an old one ?
Mark BradyPrincipal Data EngineerAuthor Commented:
Well it is old but it is a higher uality sound card than SB live.  It originally cost over $550 australian when SB cards were less than $100.  It is the low end of the professional audio recording cards but has a great sound. I would hate to have to go backwards and buy a SB live card.  We use our card everyday in a recording studio and have done some great masters.

Anyway, the software problem still hangs even after getting latest driver from driverguide.com.  The review said it supports XP.  Ran the setup file and then clicked 'install drivers' and it hangs.  Geez !!!
Mark BradyPrincipal Data EngineerAuthor Commented:
BTW the driver setup file is called 'dmanpci.exe' and is a crystal sound fusion type.
Shane Russell2nd Line Desktop SupportCommented:
have you got the manufacturers website ?
Shane Russell2nd Line Desktop SupportCommented:
since you said this was a windows 98 installation ( when you got the download from driver guide ) was that the windows xp driver or is it still a windows 98 driver ?
Mark BradyPrincipal Data EngineerAuthor Commented:
Yes 'M-Audio' bought out 'Midiman' but still sell their products.  On this link you willl see there are NO drivers for dman pci under XP.  You can only get the dman pci for (use any in second dropdown box)

Here's the site

http://www.m-audio.com/index.php?do=support.drivers
Mark BradyPrincipal Data EngineerAuthor Commented:
it is still the same old driver even though the reviews say it supports XP.  I have used this same driver for years on all my systems including XP.
Adam LeinssSCCM EngineerCommented:
I haven't seen this suggested yet, but did you load all of the bus mastering, IDE, chipset, etc. drivers for your motherboard from the vendor's disc that came with the motherboard?  Don't rely on the drivers that come with XP, make sure you install the drivers that came with your motherboard.
Mark BradyPrincipal Data EngineerAuthor Commented:
Actually no I haven't done that.  I did however read the M/Board manual and it didn't say anywhere that you should use the disk except for bios upgrades.  Now the card is inserted and xp loads normally but I cannot get the driver software to load the damn drivers.  It just hangs when trying to run it.  So now I have no sound.  Under device manager I can see that it has crystal audio inserted but no sound happening.
What the drivers do is load drivers that look like this.

Dman pci audio accellerater  (excuse the spellling)
Then it loads wave device for voice modem etc.... but I normaly dissable the extra ones.
Option 1
Option 2 // not sure what these do.

So those drivers are what I need.

Here's a thought.  Considering the hard drive and contents have not changed, why doesn't XP recognise the drivers already installed ?

last time I installed it on xp I saved all the driver files to a directory 'c:\midiman' so they are still there.  All the extracted files and dll's are there but not expanded.  EG: mmsound.dl     so they all have a two letter extention.  I don't know what to rename these to or how to extract them into the system32 folder but maybe that is an option ?
Shane Russell2nd Line Desktop SupportCommented:
If you do copy them to the system32 folder you will still most likely need to use regsvr32 to register them in windows. I doubt it will help though because it obviously must do other things to register the hardware in device manager etc.

I would see if you can find anyone else who has this card on a similiar setup and see what they did to get it to work.

I would however suggest you get the 98se drivers from there m audios site and when you have the file right click on it and try 2 things :

1] Go to properties --> compatabilty tab ( If it exists ) then select windows 2000 and then try and run it, if that does not work do the same but this time Select NT and try it again, if that does not work.

2] rename the file to a zip file type and click yes when it asks you are you sure you want to rename it. Then extract the zip file to a folder on the C drive and go into device manager and open the sound card properties up and go to the driver tab and click on install drivers and tell it you want to install the drivers yourself and go through until it gives you the option to click on the have disk button, click on that button and navigate to that folder, see if it will let you install it that way.
Shane Russell2nd Line Desktop SupportCommented:
This is probably a daft thing cos I am sure you are selecting the right one but I just noticed they have DMAN AND DMAN PCI , make sure you select the PCI one and yes I know they only have that in the win98 version as well but that may help.

If not I would strongly suggest you contact m audio as it is obviously a driver issue.
Shane Russell2nd Line Desktop SupportCommented:
The only thing I did find that may help only a little bit is this :

http://www.midiman.com/index.php?do=support.faq&ID=612c1b104e9a909eac3faa815c52c29d

That is with regards to how to use device manager to remove the failed drivers that you installed so that may be a little handy with regards to helping you get the right drivers so that you dont end up with lots of failed drivers installed on your machine.
Mark BradyPrincipal Data EngineerAuthor Commented:
Yes I downloaded the correct driver and it is the same exact file as the one I have had for years (no change)  It still locks up.  As for the link above, it refers to removing failed drivers with yellow exclamation marks etc... I don't have any failed drivers.  

I have got to the point that I've removed the card and now can't re-enable the onboard AC97 sound card.  The drivers have loaded properly but the mixing devise is not working.  When I click on the driver details it says it is installed properly but hasn't been started !  Yikes, okay so i can open (from control panel) the Sound Video and Game devices but it is all greyed out saying No Audio device found.

Grrrr   I'm about to give up and take a grinder to the new mother board lol.
nobusCommented:
Did you install all drivers for your mobo? as asked by aleins?
Do you have errors in device manager?
And i NEVER suggest updating the BIOS unless
1- you cannot get your problem solved otherwise
2- it states that it fixes your problem
Mark BradyPrincipal Data EngineerAuthor Commented:
Nobus

Yes all drivers are updated and the only error in device manager is a usb controller that I can't seen to repair/update however all my usb ports work properly (I have tested all 4 of them).

As for the Bios update, before I updated it, I couldn't even boot into windows xp with the sound card installed so at least the update solved that issue.  From what I read on several sites they all pointed to updating bios to latest version.  Latest versions of any software are normally the first thing to do if you are having problems so I don't see anything wrong with that.

However, the card is now removed and the onboard card won't work as I stated so I have no idea where to go now.  Still searching the net :)
nobusCommented:
>>   only error in device manager is a usb controller   << there should not be ANY errors; i simply think you may have a bad mobo - so my suggestion is have a warranty swap
Mark BradyPrincipal Data EngineerAuthor Commented:
oh yeah I live in New ZZealand and bought it over the net from USA.  Took 4 weeks to get her lol.  Hmmmm  byt maybe you are right.
nobusCommented:
you should not have all those problems with a new board - swap it !
Shane Russell2nd Line Desktop SupportCommented:
I agree and thats exactly what I said at this post :

Comment from gecko_au2003
Date: 12/31/2005 03:34AM GMT

btw and fyi - when I did the swap I swapped it for a different motherboard ie same make but different model. Because I originally got the ASUS P4C800 i875 motherboard and then I had numerous issues with it and so I did a warranty swap and now I have the P4P800 E deluxe.
MereteCommented:
ok I read thru this lengthy chat want a fresh idea?
one little aspect stands out>> you said here>>I know the cxard works cuz I try it on another pc and it finds it.
 other computers find it ? and these computers have not had anything disabled on the mainboard, try setting your mainboard to defaults and the only thing disabled onboard sound card leave everything else as is.
have I posted this too late :)
Mark BradyPrincipal Data EngineerAuthor Commented:
Happy new year by the way !   Yes I am all out of options now so I'll find an agent over here in NZZ even though I shipped it from USA and do a warrantee claim.  There is absollutely no reason the onboard sound should work.  Winamp has it's own sound module so that works but no mixer devices or sound cards detected by windows.
<Merete> Thanks buddy but nothing is dissabled on the board now.

I am going away for two days on holiday so I'll leave this thread open just inn case one of you has a brain fart and slaps the answer down in here lol.  If not, I will probabaly split the points.  If this is a faulty motherboard then once I have replaced it I will post back and let you all know what the result is.

In the mean time, have a great new years !!!!


Regards
Elvin
joinaunionCommented:
you had a older board before thats why it was detected.
I will assume you know that certain newer boards require cards either pci or agp with a certain voltage check your manual i,ll bet you need a card around 1.5 volts.
Board is fine asus is very good.
Disable onboard video .
Mark BradyPrincipal Data EngineerAuthor Commented:
Joinaunion


thanks for your input.  Here are my card specs...

Features:

PCI 2.1 compliant card. Requires one IRQ and no DMA channels. //says it's compatible
High quality audio specs: 90 dB dynamic range.
Full-duplex for simultaneous stereo record and playback.
Stereo line-level inputs and outputs on gold-plated RCA jacks.
MIDI In/Out on 5-pin DIN connectors.
Built-in 64-Voice General MIDI Wavetable Synthesis with GS Reverb/Chorus Effects, independent of hardware MIDI I/O.
Built-in header for addition of standard wavetable daughter board (optional).
Integrated Analog Mixer.
High-quality differential CD audio input.
Full Windows 95/98 Plug-and-Play compatibility

//My Manual (motherboard) states that AGP cards must be 1.5 volt but in the PCI section it just says they must comply with 'PCI Specs'  

so, how do I find out more about this ?  For eg; what voltage my midiman is or more on pci complience ?

One more thing, even if this is true, why would the installation file hang as soon as you click install ?  These drivers need installing BEFORE the card is inserted (as stated in manual) and I have done this many times.

Thanks

Mark
MereteCommented:
run a directx diag while we wait for inspiration Mark, at least it should provide some clues.. from start run type in dxdiag test your sound.
Let us know if you get any problems .
Whats this>>
Full Windows 95/98 Plug-and-Play compatibility
do you have xp on board?
maybe the bios is out of date then? for windowsxp
how much ram do you have on board sounds like this card uses a fair amount and with xp as well. I know they recomend 256 but i gig is way better. DDR as well.
Do you have ddr or sdram?

Mark BradyPrincipal Data EngineerAuthor Commented:
As my question states,, I have upgraded bios and have plenty of ram(1 gig) so that isn't the problem.  Yes it has xp on board and I have used the card with xp for the last two years.  will try your suggestion.
Mark BradyPrincipal Data EngineerAuthor Commented:
Yes sound plays when i did the test, no problem (using the onboard card).  As I stated earlier, Winamp is also able to play using the same soundcard onboard.  However the mixer device in control panel says no card installed so i cant record or modify anything in mixer control.  Here is a uote from my earlier post...

I have got to the point that I've removed the card and now can't re-enable the onboard AC97 sound card.  The drivers have loaded properly but the mixing devise is not working.  When I click on the driver details it says it is installed properly but hasn't been started !  Yikes, okay so i can open (from control panel) the Sound Video and Game devices but it is all greyed out saying No Audio device found.  // end quote

MereteCommented:
thanks for that quote,,
in control panel audio sounds devices what is in the audio devices? and what is in the voice? Does it list your audio drivers?
in the first one audio does it have ticked to only use default devices?
otherwise I would suggest easy way out . What brand is this AC97 sound card eg realtec or ??
here is the latest the driver for realtec
download the driver save it as an installer to a place for safe keeping, like create a folder name it downloads or installers.
http://drivers.soft32.com/driver/download-Realtek_AC97-24553.html
http://drivers.soft32.com/download/driver-Realtek_AC97-24553-5.html

boot to safemode>> your account>> system> device manager and uninstall  all audio  related software and any that have more than one device of the same .. how is your modem as it is the one that has a connection to mixes and audio devices, if the modem is not configured correctly then a clash can happen. If there is any programs doubled up these will cause a corruption.
Reboot and then go to control panel add new hardware, choose your ac97 and then see if they can find these new drivers you installed, then check all the  audio devices under sounds and audio devices are correct and have a tick to always use it modem has its audio in there as well.





Mark BradyPrincipal Data EngineerAuthor Commented:
Sob sob !!!   Well let me tell you, I have downloaded so many latest drivers from numerous places and alkl do the same thing.  Once installed, go into devices and there it is !  Yes, Realtek AC97 audio driver software is installed and runnning correctly (so windows reports) with NO conflicts (no yellow !) Once you view properties and view the drivers that it installed, each one tells me that the 'driver has been installed but not started yet'  
As for the modem, I don't use it so I have dissabled it so no voice modem files are present.

I know this motherboard is supposed to be damn good but I've had nothing but headaches sinse I put it in a few days ago.  They provided the onboard soundcard and xp should automatically install the drivers.  If I don't like the drivers or want to upgrade them to the latest, I should be able to without going through days of pulling my hair out :)

As for my original question about getting the midiman to work, I'm quite interested in finding out for sure/or not if the midiman dman pci audio card is compatible with the  Motherboard,  A8vmx ASUS, and the AMD athlon 1800mhz.

If it is not, then I will have to buy a more expensive card.  God only knows if it will work with this board though :)
MereteCommented:
yes, it should be simple really xp is very easy with installing stuff but when something goes wrong it is as stubborn hair pulling damn.

I just noticed you stated the midiman dman pci audio card  not ac 97.. those drivers would be wrong then..

The ASIO drivers allow for a lower buffer and the card's full-duplex performance is it's strong point. In other words you can record and play at the same time. Definetly a leap ahead of other cards in the same price range. The 20-bit 128times oversampling sigma/delta converters will ensures that what goes in, comes out. The breakout box is good to have as it shields the connectors from noise and elimanates cross talk. You can arrange the jumpers on the card for either +4dB or -10dB operation. It's input impedance is 10k ohms minimum and has a frequency response of 20Hz-22Hz (+/- 0.5dB). Has a signal to noise ratio of 93dBs. This is a good card for starter. If you need more later you can always get another card to handle other purposes. Midiman seems to offer other well made digital audio products.

full specs
http://news.harmony-central.com/Newp/1998/Dman-PCI.html
http://www.synthman.com/midiman/113900.html

here is the drivers for Dman    http://www.m-audio.com/index.php?do=support.drivers  but they are for windows 98 only
I cannot find any for xp. If you are unable to find any for xp then go this person who had the card same as running and ask him for a copy of of his drivers, put them onto a cd or floppy or email them to you.

 These drivers could be the cause of the crashes for sure  xp will tolerate certain drivers. There is an option with xp to run some programs in windowsxp compatibilty mode.
Run Older Programs on Windows XP
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/using/helpandsupport/learnmore/appcompat.mspx






Mark BradyPrincipal Data EngineerAuthor Commented:
Thanks for all your effort but you must read the entire thread unfortunatly.  you will see that your uestions have already been discussed.  I know the AC97 drivers aren't for the midiman card (the crystal ones are but won't load)
They were loaded under the same XP installation but on different motherboard and all worked fine.
I am a recording studio engineer so am fully versed on the cards strong points which is why I bought it and have sucsesfully used it for several years (under WinXP all service packs).

The drivers you link to for midiman I have already tried (over and over).  As I stated, they only have drivers up to 98 BUT that has not affected me running them on XP.  

This problem oNLY started with the motherbord/cpu/ram upgrade.

So....that leads me to believe one of several things.

1.  The card is fried.  //Nope, checked it on two other machines XP.
2.  The Midiman PCI Audio card which is PCI complient, will NOT work with Asus A8V-MX motherboard. // Maybe true
3.  The Crystal drivers MUST be loaded before card install (as manual states)  //correct but software locks up so need to find out how to manually load/register them before card installation.
4.  I'm going crazzzzy !  //  This is correct lol.

Note:  I have located the latest of everything from drivers to bios upgrades etc....
After upgrading my bios, I was able to boot XP with the card installed so that was a breakthrough.  Once booted, windows found the new hardware as expected (there are 4 devices on the dman pci card).  Just as it finished finding the new hardware the 'add new hardware' wizard opened then windows went black screen on me.

Lastely, i couldn't resolve this so I took the card out and tried using the built in Ac97 which shows up fine and lets winamp use it and DirectX tests it with no problems, however, the drivers that came with it ie: mixer etc..  will not load properly.  Device manager says 'Installed but have not been started'

So that's it in a nutshell.  I have tried almost everyones suggestions except change the motherboard with no results.

Strange facts about this.
1.  Before Bios upgrade the pc locked up after the logon window while it was loading my 'user preferences'
2.  After Bios upgrade it went into windows and found the sound card hardware as expected.
3.  When I try to install the drivers the program opens (crystal) and when I click 'Install drivers' it hangs on the hourglass.

I have tested the software on my laptop with xp and same result (hangs)
I have previously on several occasions got these drivers to work on XP but can't remember how.

I hope that's a bit clearer.  Any sugggestions after reading that or should I shoot myself and give all my points to my mother !  :)

Mark
Mark BradyPrincipal Data EngineerAuthor Commented:
Good morning experts !

I have an update for you all.

Earlier in this thread I stated that there was a USB controller device not working (yellow !)
I found out that the M/Board had two wires from the front USB ports connected to it.  These are USB2 ports (high speed).  As I don't have any devices connected to the usb on front panel, I unplugged them and dissabled USB2 support in the bios.

Booted up and device problem was gone.  Just by chance, I pluggged in my Midiman card and it booted properly, finding and installing the crystal drivers.  All is well so far, but here is the problem.  In the device manager the drivers are there and there is no conflict.  It says they are installed and working properly.  However, under 'Sounds and Audio Devices' it still says 'No Soundcard installed'.   No mixer device is installed according to windows, however, it has the drivers installed for it.  Does this sound familier ?  Oh, we are getting much closer now.  Just need to solve this one and we are away !

Mark
MereteCommented:
Hi Mark I have been at work sorry if your concerned I have not left you stranded, will now take the time to read your lengthy informative post and see if I can see any solutions.
Will post back after a bit with my suggestions.
Best wishes Merete
Mark BradyPrincipal Data EngineerAuthor Commented:
Thanks buddy

Here is an update for you.  I tried manually updating the driver that windows installed for my midiman sound card.  I chose to manually select drivers from a specific location and it opened the window with my correct driver 'Dman Pci audio controller'  When I hit 'Next' it tries to update then I get error message (in the same window)
'The class installer has denied the request to install or update this device'

I am logged on with admin privillages with same result.  Also tried loggging on in safe mode (as I have xp home) as Administrator but the problem persists.
Tried calling microsoft tect support and they give me the run around wanting me to pay them 35 bucks just to talk to a tech but after reading other threads, they are pretty useless !

that's why I'm here !!!  Good luck

Mark
MereteCommented:
ok first key>> AC97 drivers aren't for the midiman card (the crystal ones are but won't load)
They were loaded under the same XP installation but on different motherboard and all worked fine. (TICK)

2nd key>> The drivers you link to for midiman I have already tried (over and over).  As I stated, they only have drivers up to 98 BUT that has not affected me running them on XP.   (TICK)

This problem only started with the MB/cpu/ram upgrade. (TICK)

3rd>> 1.  The card is fried.  //Nope, checked it on two other machines XP. ( tick)
2.  The Midiman PCI Audio card which is PCI complient, will NOT work with Asus A8V-MX motherboard. // Maybe true (Tick)

And this is where I think we need to focus>>
3.  The Crystal drivers MUST be loaded before card install (as manual states)  //correct but software locks up so need to find out how to manually load/register them before card installation.
4.  I'm going crazzzzy !  //  This is correct lol.

With the rest I shall leave to later..
Firstly remove the card physically out.. Enable the on board definately.
Make sure all the other hardware is correctly seated the correct ide cables to each etc. Make sure PSU is enough.
Now Pull out the power cable, unpower you pc. DEAD
get a small flat nosed pliers, look for the round silver dollar battery in the edge is a small clamp push against that
drop out the battery.
Put the power plug back in, and reboot without.
Let it load the dos dont worry about any messages, once nothing else is happening hold in the shutdown and shut off. Un power DEAD no power plug in the tower. It has be out..
 Put the battery back in. Power plug back in and reboot without the audio card still.

Here you have a couple of choices, perform a recovery using your xp cd, if you decide this could be a good idea, put the xpcd in the rom drive  set the bios to boot from cd. And perform teh recovery. This should remove all the old crap clear cmos from any old settings.
Once your machine is working good check the hardware even modem is working as it uses the other audio devices.

Install avg its pretty good  right at the bottom http://free.grisoft.com/doc/2/lng/us/tpl/v5 
here this one not the trial version as this version is free anyway >>AVG Free for Windows installation files
File Version
avg71free_371a669.exe 7.1.371  
Then install office. You;ll need these first so that certain programs will run good.
Set up your internet connection now not during setup or recovery as your machine is defenceless.
Install macromedia flash / java/ quicktime  etc. Fundermenatls for xp..
windowsupdates. Google if necessry.
Once your machine is fully up and running patched. Then make a backup.
Then and only then would I try installing this card.
best of luck
Merete




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MereteCommented:
lol if you can get any help from MS Bill Gates would have a fit ahahah, sorry my humour.. Ok you posted that after and vefore, so go ahead and read my suggestions and  let me knwo your thoughts.
Righto
cheers
Mark BradyPrincipal Data EngineerAuthor Commented:
Haha you are funny.  Ok well right now i am in the middle of a fresh install of xp in a different folder.  Lets see what happens with that first.  If no joy then I will revert back to the old folder and try your suggestions.

already have AVG installed.  Don't use the onboard modem as we are on DSL network fast speed.  Never need to use a dialup although I hAVE ONE if i wanted to.  By the way, I am on my laptop with this message board and the problem is on my main home PC which is sitting next to me with it's guts hanging out and a knife in my hand ready to perform a volluntary Harry Freakin Carrie on it :)
Mark BradyPrincipal Data EngineerAuthor Commented:
hi Team !

I have resolved the issue by taking the following steps:

1:  re-install Xp home in a new folder (the new install allowed the onboard AC97 card to run)
2:  Tried installing midiman card now but it locked up again.
3:  remove midiman card
4:  Insert my old Soundblaster Live 5 card
5:  Reboot   // Card wasn't found so changed PCI slots and it was found.
6:  XP installed the drivers for the card and everything worked great (including mixer device)
7:  booted down and tried the Midiman card in the slot that didn't regognise the SB card
8:  Booted up and windows found it and installed it's own generic drivers (crystal fusion)
9:  Went to control panel/sounds and audio and selected the soundfusion driver for playback and record and midi
10: Opened cakewalk pro audio 9.0 and set the audio drivers to use only crystal fusion.

Now when I go to record and select the source in C/Walk I can select Crytal fusion Left Wav or right wav or Stereo wav.

Just tested it all with a recording and it works great.

So here is my conclusion.  I believe that XP somehow decided that because of a hardware change it would not allow me to install this card (maybe because other drivers in the sys32 folder.)  Once a fresh install done it seemed to allow me but only after sucessfuly installing the soundblaster card first. Maybe this flushed out the Plug and Play Enumerator file that was causing the problem.

In concluding I have split the points with the experts whho I fwlt made a difference in me getting this working in the end.
Thank you all so much for your time !

Kind regards
Mark  (Elvin)

MereteCommented:
excellent results from a huge effort on your behalf too Mark, it is great news indeed. Terrific, I do feel with you people your problems become mine.
Have an excellent day.
Best wishes.
Merete
Shane Russell2nd Line Desktop SupportCommented:
With regards to these 3 steps :

3:  remove midiman card
4:  Insert my old Soundblaster Live 5 card
5:  Reboot   // Card wasn't found so changed PCI slots and it was found.
6:  XP installed the drivers for the card and everything worked great (including mixer device)

That makes me wonder if just taking the midi man sound card and swapping PCI slots would do the same thing ( although you did use your old sound card and then put the midi man in and hence the hardware change as you stated which probably helped as well to some degree. )

Anyway thanks for the feedback with regards to what you did to get it working and good to hear you got it sorted out.
Mark BradyPrincipal Data EngineerAuthor Commented:
Yes maybe putting the old SB card in tricked the system a bit.  I had tried both PCI slots with the midiman previous to doing this.  Glad it's going now though :)
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