graphic card

i have a pent.4 2.40 700mb ram motherboard aopen
s651m real clock or bus mem. is 533mhz dont have pci express on it what is the best card i can use agp or pci to play these top end games without slowing down the computer win xp mem is ddr sdram pc2700
166 mhz need more info let me know.
billsterAsked:
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Irwin SantosComputer Integration SpecialistCommented:
zephyr_hex (Megan)DeveloperCommented:
AGP is going to be better than PCI.  the more memory on the graphics card, the better.  Look at one of your high-end games and see what the  minimum specs are for the graphics card and system memory

also, you may want to add a little bit more RAM to your system.  get it up to at least 1gig.  memory is fairly cheap these days.
onsitezCommented:
shop at newegg.com , they have crucial memory cheaper than crucial sells it for.
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gonzal13RetiredCommented:
Dual Graphics Card Configurations for NVIDIA GeForce 6800 and 7800 GTX with SLI
256MB NVIDIA GeForce 7800 GTX
256MB NVIDIA GeForce 6800
reactive-itCommented:
http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,1697,1918104,00.asp
The best card for your setup is that  model bar none followed by any geforce 6800 ultra (agp)

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Irwin SantosComputer Integration SpecialistCommented:
gonzal13... the Geforce 6800 is pci express... billster needed a AGP solution
Irwin SantosComputer Integration SpecialistCommented:
reactive-it...NVIDIA site doesn't have this... but this is a good option for billster.  The date on the article is 2/2/06
RoadWarriorCommented:
The fastest AGP I've actually seen for sale in any quantity is the 6600GT.
simonlimbCommented:
AGP is better than PCI
CallandorCommented:
I agree that the nVidia 6600GT is the fastest AGP card available - it happens to be a good value as well: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814130220

If the 7800GS for AGP ever shows up, it will be the fastest.
reactive-itCommented:
There's not many legs left to AGP, that much you have to admit. So, to get that copy of F.E.A.R. purring along using AGP, you're realistically looking at a Radeon X800 XL, or GeForce 6800 GS, in terms of boards on sale today.

6800 GT and Ultra fell out of the retail channel long ago and X800 XT was never around in massively copious quantities and has fallen off the retail radar in the same way.

The answer is not a 6600 in any way shape or form guys. FACT
CallandorCommented:
reactive-it,

You are correct that the Radeon X800 XL or GeForce 6800GS will beat a 6600GT.  I would have to say that it comes with a price: the X800 XL is over $300, and the 6800GS is $200.  That may not be the best thing to do with an aging technology, and the performance increase is not that much greater: http://www.tomshardware.com/2005/07/05/vga_charts_vii/.  So like all things in life, you pay a high premium for the absolute best.
reactive-itCommented:
I rest my case he asked the question of fastest card. There was no mention of bang per buck or the like.
Points please gimme gimme
RoadWarriorCommented:
Yeah well if you find anyone claiming to have any of those in stock, do not order over the internet, phone them ask them how soon it will ship, tell them if it's not there when they say it will be, you're going to reverse the charges on your credit card. Otherwise pay retail + 30% on eBay.
CallandorCommented:
Technically, he asked "what is the best card i can use", which is not the same as the fastest, if he means best for him, which was never ascertained :-)
Irwin SantosComputer Integration SpecialistCommented:
"Technically, he asked "what is the best card i can use", which is not the same as the fastest, if he means best for him, which was never ascertained :-)"...

That's right Callandor, I mean if you have $20 in pocket, then a 2x AGP is the best you can get.  :-)

I claim 1st dibs on points if he chooses ATI, check 1st post  :-)
reactive-itCommented:
lol this thread gone crazy.
He asked a question which has been answered.
Everyone has a preference amd/intel nvidia/ati
if he chooses ati it will not be because it is the quickest/best solution for his rig. It will be the best ATI (solution) which is not what he asked for.
Irwin SantosComputer Integration SpecialistCommented:
Personally, I prefer GEFORCE....it's in the name, ATI is more pu$$y like.
reactive-itCommented:
i had geforce 2 then 3 then 4 jumped to ati on the radeon 9700 then 9800 and x800 currently on geforce 7800.
because i go for what is best in the current market.
Although at press ATI x1800/1900 seem to be pushing hard.
Is the question answered or not ?
Poster pls reply
Irwin SantosComputer Integration SpecialistCommented:
I believe everyone here has valid solutions and opinions... but uiltimately

1) what works well with the machine
2) what works well within the budget
3) best supported card by manufacture
4) best compatible card

Bleeding edge technology is good if you believe in it, so much that I've been burned by purchasing a card that is new on the market, but not totally supported by the games available.

Anyway, that is my thought.... again everyone has a valid solution, and I believe in all fairness...all participants in this thread should get points..(aka point slitting).  :-)
billsterAuthor Commented:
Hey guys i think im getting more confused i want to run the top games outthere and want to know if the system i show here will do it some people say my front bus being only  533mhz  is not good in this case im running the ati radeon 9600se 128mb are these cards much better i can go as high as 300.00 any more i would just upgrade and get a new computer cant afforf that. also how much better are these cards than the one i'm running and someone said it was better to get a card wwith 256mm rather than 128 is this also true.
reactive-itCommented:
i rest my case 300.00 = clear winner reactive-it with the geforce 6800 agp as for it working inside his system as long as it fits and the voltages all work the job is good points please billster.
billsterAuthor Commented:
and yes i can run pci just not express
Irwin SantosComputer Integration SpecialistCommented:
billster...let's go back to square one....

What top games are you looking at?  Doom? Fear?  Pacman?  All the above cards mentioned do the job to handle at least Doom.  The experts have given you their opinions.. and from the lot, you have
GEFORCE OR ATI...

reactive-it found the geforce 6800 ultra (agp)

and I pointed out the Radeon 800xl

both of these cards are AGP, and at the highest end, and the next step is PCI Express which you don't have.

It was also suggested that you add more RAM by zephyr_hex.

Callandor suggested newegg.com to shop... So there, in a nutshell is what you have to do to peak and tweak your system.
Irwin SantosComputer Integration SpecialistCommented:
as much as reactive-it wants to take all credit.. I believe everyone here jolted each other with more conclusion to what best works for you.. so consider point splitting when you grade.
Irwin SantosComputer Integration SpecialistCommented:
@reactive-it

:-)
reactive-itCommented:
i dont want all the credit happy to share my friend. but fact is fact if someone asked me what to do in his situation i would as someone else stated get the ram upgraded if possible to 1gb and then go for the geforce.
So the ATI biatch can sit down but the guy with the memory gag can join the party
;-) @irwinkps the man who gave a link too the 2 main players but no answer. get off the fence man.
reactive-itCommented:
last tilt for me memory/bus speeds unimportant with your system although im sure it will take better memory pc3200 for sure.
The memory will be the bottleneck for throughput not the graphics card.
:-)
Irwin SantosComputer Integration SpecialistCommented:
as like I said poking and prodding, and the first solution is a solution...like Lindberg, everyone knew he was the first to fly around the world....who the hell was 2nd? ;-)
billsterAuthor Commented:
heres a for instance i'm playing time shift demo my card should handle it but i have to keep all graphics low or off would a card with 256mb help with my system or not (time shift)  requirements
 Windows 2000/XP
* 2 GHz processor (2.5 GHz recommended)
* 512 MB RAM
* 128 MB video card with full hardware T&L support
* DirectX 9.0c
* Sound Card, Mouse, Keyboard
* About 1GB free hard drive space (300 MB as scratch space)
Irwin SantosComputer Integration SpecialistCommented:
billster is this ANOTHER machine?
billsterAuthor Commented:
same one
Irwin SantosComputer Integration SpecialistCommented:
i'm lost because in your initial question you have 2.4ghz with 700mb...can you explain?
billsterAuthor Commented:
aHate to keep busting you guys im gonna give up the points i just dont want to spend $300 bucks and find out my mother board s---- like i said dont know how much more mem will help if the boards not gonna carry it with agront bus of 533Mhz but if you tell me a card with more mem is the way to go ill do it pci or agp as long as its not express
Irwin SantosComputer Integration SpecialistCommented:
yeah.. i felt like i was walking with one less sack...

the Video card will achieve the desired effect you want (of course with as much memory you can get on it).  System memory will help contain the application, and if you are looking for performance and the sweetness of how your favorite game looks, invest more into the video card.  Your machine is decent to accomodate that.
billsterAuthor Commented:
irwinpks thats what i have 2.4  700mb the thing above was from the game im playing that is there system requirements i meet them fine
billsterAuthor Commented:
so irwinpks your gonna get points i think you guys are on the money if you guys were to buy a card for my system all i really need to know now which one would you guys buy no more than 300 clams and im guessing the card with most mem on it let me know and ill split these points up just let me know noing my system which you think guys is my best buy. thats it than you all
Irwin SantosComputer Integration SpecialistCommented:
split evenly...would be good..  :-)

The geforce 6800 ultra is not in the mainstream yet. You can compare the price to this PNY6800 PCIEXPRESS.it will be along this line...
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814133155

You may want to use roboshopper.com  check in with newegg in a few weeks.  OR write them and let them know you are waiting for the geforce 6800 ultra (AGP)

billsterAuthor Commented:
thanks guys wish i could of split the points more
Irwin SantosComputer Integration SpecialistCommented:
cool. thanks!  I got some  WOOHOO!
reactive-itCommented:
well done irwinpks u da man.
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