We help IT Professionals succeed at work.

Novell 4.83 Serious login issue

kissmecat
kissmecat asked
on
945 Views
Last Modified: 2011-08-18
I have a winxp machine that has a novell 4.83 sp1 login. I tried to log in with the administrator on the worksation only... and then windows starts to loging but then says its loggin off. I also noticed that the novell has no set user.. usually when i get the login screen it shows a users name but in this one there is none. Also the network tabs are not shown... only the windows tab in the advanced button. HELP NEED HELP ASAP.
Comment
Watch Question

Author

Commented:
IS there any way to just take off novell or bypass the novell login... do u think its a login issue or a windows issue.
CERTIFIED EXPERT

Commented:
With the 4.83 client, I suggest going to the Windows tab on the advanced button and check to see what's in the "from" window.  If it's from a domain, you'll have to use the domain Administrator's password.  If it's from <local computer's name> then the local Administrator's password will work.  

If none of the network tabs are showing, that usually means that the NIC isn't connected to the network, and in that case, usually the "from" box on the Windows tab will have the local workstation's name, which means you must use the local Adminstrator password (or another local user/password combo.)

Once the Novell client is installed, if its GINA is primary, you must log in one way or another.   If it's offline, as this one appears to be, using the Novell login screen is essentially the same as using the original, non-network, Windows login screen.

Note: 4.83SP1 does NOT work well with WinXP.  Upgrade it to 4.83SP3a (IIRC) minimum, with all the post SP3a patches, if you can still get them.  I don't think you can.  If you can't use the 4.91 client for some reason, at least go with the 4.90SP2 client with the "D" patch, srvloc.sys patch and nwfs.sys patch.
CERTIFIED EXPERT
Commented:
This one is on us!
(Get your first solution completely free - no credit card required)
UNLOCK SOLUTION
CERTIFIED EXPERT

Commented:
I did some digging.  

Look on support.novell.com/filefinder for NC483 and you'll find the SP3 install of the 4.83 client.
Here's the TID on that: http://support.novell.com/cgi-bin/search/searchtid.cgi?/2968055.htm
Then, look for 483PSP and you'll find the post-SP3 PK"A" patch.
Here's the TID on that: http://support.novell.com/cgi-bin/search/searchtid.cgi?/2969354.htm
I don't see any other 4.83 patches on filefinder
This behavior sounds sort of scary to me. I think you should go with BigBadFletch's recommendation in the other question, it will probably be easier than trying to track the problem down.
just so I have my say in on the proper ticket, this is a cut and paste of my previous post:

did this just start happening one day? or did you make a change that did not go well? if you did it then you should be able to fix it. If it just happened then don't waste your time. Just format and reinstall the box. If you are trying to salvage data then you need to boot from a cd and gain access to the ntfs volume. I would suggest making yourself a BartPe boot disk.

you can find it at: http://www.nu2.nu/pebuilder/ 

you will need to provide your own xp cd to make the disc, but once done you will have a very valuable trouble shooting tool. once you make the disc you can boot from it and transfer your files to a usb drive

also, on another note. if you do reinstall get the latest version of the Novell Client for Windows 4.91 SP2 from:

http://download.novell.com/index.jsp

good luck

Author

Commented:
I cant upgrade to another version (though I have them just in case). My computer is not on a domain. I tried to login to the local computer and nothing but I will try to see what happens when i safe boot with networking. becuase I trie to log in to just hte workstation and I still recived the problem.
CERTIFIED EXPERT

Commented:
If you try "safe mode without networking" and can't get in, then your administrator account or password is hosed.  Do you have another local account you could "back-door" into it?

If not, you'll have to make a decision how you want to handle the situation, based on how important it is to access whatever's on that PC.  

If it's running NTFS with encryption, you may have a harder row to hoe, but otherwise, either BartPE or parallel-install may be your only options.

You could try the Ultimate Boot CD, but that's not necessarily going to help, either.

Commented:
I had the same problem some months back. All I did was to take the HDD out, put it on another Win2K PC, take ownership rights and retrieved the data.

Ran Housecall Antivirus checker from trendmicro..found it clean. Thought that it was a Netware Client issue buit didn't find out to be one.

Some time ago I had a late SLP DA pickup related problem and my clients were Window 2000. Guys at Novell Support informed me to roll back my Novell Client to 4.83SP2 as they still consider that to be the most stable for Windows 2000. Didn't help solve the problem though and I am currently collaborating with ShineOn on that one. (More on that later Shineon!!:)

So, what I worte is not the most appropriate and technical troubleshooting but is handy in emergency situations where time to do R&D is very limited.

My 2 cents
All the best.

Author

Commented:
I took out the drive and put it into another computer but it keep booting into that particular drive. Odd and I didnt have a choice in which patition to work on.
This one is on us!
(Get your first solution completely free - no credit card required)
UNLOCK SOLUTION

Author

Commented:
I did swtich the jumpers but not the bios info.... will get back on that
Commented:
This one is on us!
(Get your first solution completely free - no credit card required)
UNLOCK SOLUTION

Author

Commented:
After going to the drive on the other computer I uninstalled novell and then reinstalled it... once i put in the proper settings I moved the drive back into the original computer and everything worked fine. I think that novell became corrupted or maybe the user profile of Xp... to be safe I created a user template and copied everything over to the new user.... all i know is that it works!! thanks guys you all lwhere a great help.

Commented:
All's well that ends well.

Just wondering...when you were only able to access this drive as a slave, what do you mean by uninstalling and re-installing Novell... (presuming that you are talking about Novell Client here)?? It was my understanding that in slave (non primary, non active partition) mode all we can do is delete and copy.

Thanks for granting the assist points though. That's my first entry to experts domain but I feel that Bill would agree with my contention of him being the one who did 'assist' you by articulating the implementation of my solution. ;)

Rgds

Nothing wrong with a group effort!

Gain unlimited access to on-demand training courses with an Experts Exchange subscription.

Get Access
Why Experts Exchange?

Experts Exchange always has the answer, or at the least points me in the correct direction! It is like having another employee that is extremely experienced.

Jim Murphy
Programmer at Smart IT Solutions

When asked, what has been your best career decision?

Deciding to stick with EE.

Mohamed Asif
Technical Department Head

Being involved with EE helped me to grow personally and professionally.

Carl Webster
CTP, Sr Infrastructure Consultant
Empower Your Career
Did You Know?

We've partnered with two important charities to provide clean water and computer science education to those who need it most. READ MORE

Ask ANY Question

Connect with Certified Experts to gain insight and support on specific technology challenges including:

  • Troubleshooting
  • Research
  • Professional Opinions
Unlock the solution to this question.
Join our community and discover your potential

Experts Exchange is the only place where you can interact directly with leading experts in the technology field. Become a member today and access the collective knowledge of thousands of technology experts.

*This site is protected by reCAPTCHA and the Google Privacy Policy and Terms of Service apply.

OR

Please enter a first name

Please enter a last name

8+ characters (letters, numbers, and a symbol)

By clicking, you agree to the Terms of Use and Privacy Policy.