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I have 3 users using windows xp.
They have the need to monitor and possibly disconnect active RAS clients from a windows 2000 stand alone server.
Currently I only have allowed one of them to RDP directly to the desktop of that server for this purpose.
Is there an easy way to set them up so that they can connect using a MMC from their workstation?
I want to eliminate the users connections to the server using RDP.
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by:Jay_Jay70
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Hi mcrossland,

have you looked at the adminpak?

http://www.petri.co.il/download_w2k_adminpak.htm

Cheers!
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The systems are xp pro sp2.

The article states "Note that you cannot install the Windows 2000 version of Adminpak.msi onto computers running any other operating system version other than Windows 2000."
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sorry mate i just assumed 2000 clients as you posted in 2000 topic area   my bad :)

http://www.petri.co.il/download_windows_2003_adminpak.htm
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Oh.  sorry bout that.  I posted here cause the server is 2000.  :)
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no need to apologise   i should have asked, no guarrantees if that will work though    i thought the 2k adminpak may have had an interface into RRAS but as far as i can see the 2K3 ones dont   hmmm
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If you have access to a Windows 2003 server cd, the adminpak.msi file on that cd _will_ work on an XP workstation, allowing remote management of 2000 servers as well as 2003 servers.  

By the way, if you don't want to install the complete package of management tools, you can get just the Routing & Remote Access related stuff with this command:

msiexec /i adminpak.msi ADDLOCAL=FeRRASconsole /qb

(A completed list of the ADDLOCAL options to limit the install is at http://www.petri.co.il/extract_specific_tools_from_adminpak_msi.htm)
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bingo!
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isnt that the exact same tool that i gave you first off?
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My appologies.  I overlooked that fact that I should have split points.  I was just very happy to see the exact extraction of just the component that i was looking for.  
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I requested a split in the customer support forum.  :)
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Oh and by the way, I can't seem to find a RAS snap in after installing ALL of the tools to my XP system.
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thats ok i wasnt annoyed   was just wondering if i had missed something    its your call with that you do i dont mind :)

do you get the RRAS snap in when you follow itgb's answer   if yes then ignore mine!
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No RAS snap in even with the full install.  Just figured that out?  what gives?
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by:Jay_Jay70
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itgb's answer specifies the indivudual install.... does that not work
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by:mcrossland
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I installed the entire admin pack and there is no RAS Snap In.
This was after I tried the individual install which was for Active Directory Tools.  
Here I sit with no RAS snap in.  :(
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now that is odd, i wonder if thats only compatible with windows 2003 servers.... if the solution didnt help you, you can always open the Q back up so you dont lose your points
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mcrossland,

If you open the management for the local XP machine on which you've installed the admin-pak, then re-connect it to the 2000 server in question, does the RRAS snap-in show up under the "Services and Applications" top-level item?

I usually accomplish the above by right-clicking "My Computer" and choosing "Manage", then right-clicking "Computer Management (local)" and choosing "Connect to another computer" and entering the server's name.

And, though this is one of the silly ones, just in case it was overlooked:  the actual snap in is called "Routing and Remote Access", not "RAS" or "Remote Access."  (Having had far too many really late nights getting _way_ too close to problems, I've learned to ask the silly questions just in case!  ;-)

Matthew
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Yeah.  I was looking for "routing and remote access"  I'm either blind or done something wrong.  I can't imagine that I can screw up a full installation of the admin pack.   After installation, I simply went to the run command and typed mmc <enter>.
I then went to add remove snap in.  Couldn't find it.
Looks like your wanting me to connect to that server using computer management first and then try to add the snap in?
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Actually, if the appropriate component is on the XP machine, when you connect the management console to the 2000 Server, Routing and Remote Access should show up under "Services and Applications" automatically.

Matthew
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Well, I just tried it on servers here and I don't see Routing and Remote Access on my XP machine either.   Typically the components just show up on that management console if they're installed and running on the remote server being managed, but I have to admit I hadn't tried to manage RRAS remotely before.  

Depending on the importance of this issue for you and the value of time vs hard $ in your shop, it might be worth it to call Microsoft and pony up the $245 to get their answer to this one.  If you do figure it out via MS or otherwise, would you mind posting the solution here?  I'm pretty curious at this point.

Sorry I didn't have the solution.

Matthew
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Thanks for the testing and confirmation on your end Matthew.  It IS worth the time to me but not the Micro$oft fee.  I'll continue to research on my own unless someone else has a clue.  The only other thing I can think of is that maybe I have to install Routing and Remote Access on the XP systems.  I would then "I think" be able to select another server from that snap in.  You wanna try that on yours?  If it works, points are yours.  :)
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Unfortunately, I don't know of any way to install RRAS on an XP box.  It's not listed in Windows Components.  
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Really?  OK.   I'll post that question in the XP forum.
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OK.  After researching this issue extensively, I have found that in the WIn2K3 admin pack they have removed some of the tools.  Routing and Remote Access is one of them.  It apparently existed in w2K admin pack but was ripped out of the one that I need.

Case closed.
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ah thats sucks man,

ms magic again...

cheers
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thats fine with me
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