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I need to image my SATA drives

I own Ghost 2003.  I would like to image my HD's one of two ways if not both.  

1.  I would like to burn a complete backup of the drive in case it crashes.  Complete also meaning the primary drive.  I would like to be able to burn this to DVD which would in turn be bootable.

2.  I would like to be able to image a drive to another through its utility.  However Ghost 2003, at least mine, doesn't play well with SATA or USB drives.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.  I use GHOST 2003 but I'm not above trying something else.  I also own the latest version of NERO, if that helps.
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Gary CaseRetiredCommented:
The interface is a bit "geeky", but I'm a big fan of Boot-It NG, which should work fine with your SATA drives and will work with external USB v2 drives (there's a checkbox in the Settings to enable the USB 2 support).

Download the free demo version (www.bootitng.com) and give it a try (the demo will do everything you've suggested above).
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Gary CaseRetiredCommented:
... you might want to read my first post here  (note you can also use a bootable CD instead of a floppy):  http://www.experts-exchange.com/Networking/Microsoft_Network/Q_21549976.html
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Gary CaseRetiredCommented:
... the destination for Boot-It's image can be your DVD writer if you choose.   Although with two hard drives, I'd just keep your image on the 2nd drive (and burn a DVD backup of it for a "worst case" scenario).
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GTKINCAuthor Commented:
Remember I'm the one that Boot-it Cost me the OS i'm trying to backup now.  However of course that was my fault as I didn't pay attention and hit cancel instead of install.  I'm knocking off for the day but i'll try it on Monday.
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Gary CaseRetiredCommented:
Oh yes -- but on the other hand that means you're (a) familiar with it (perhaps TOO familiar !!); and (b) already have a bootable copy of it.

Trust me -- it's EASY to do.  Post back when you're ready to image, and I'll step you through it.

As a matter of interest, how do you have your drives partitioned now?  (since you reloaded)
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nobusCommented:
did you update ghost? if you do, it will work better with usb - i don't know about sata drives yet
But maybe worth a try
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GTKINCAuthor Commented:
Hey Gary, for what I mentioned above do you think I would be better off with the http://www.bootitng.com/ softare?  There isn't anything specific I need in Ghost.  That's just all I had used.  Plus I don't think that Ghost will let me backup over the LAN.
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Gary CaseRetiredCommented:
I definitely prefer Boot-It to Ghost (although the latest Ghost I have is 2003).   However, Boot-It will also not backup across the LAN.   I always just image to another partition on the PC -- and then copy the image across the LAN later as an extra backup.

You're a bit familiar with Boot-It, so you should have no problem imaging.

Just boot to the Boot-It floppy; press CANCEL at the first prompt (I think you'll remember to do that !!); then OK to go to Maintenance mode;  then click on Partition Work;  be sure HD-0 is selected (or whichever drive has the partition you want to image);  then highlight the partition you want to image (probably the 1st one);  then click "Image" (on the right side);  choose "Create Image" (should be the default), and click OK.

You will now see a "Paste Pending for Image Create" message at the bottom of the Window.   Highlight the partition where you want the image saved -- this may be on another drive -- in which case you change the drive selector (HD-0, HD-1, CD-z, etc.) to the proper setting;  select the options you want (if you're imaging to a hard drive you do NOT need to verify the image - although it doesn't hurt anything -- just doubles the time);  and away you go.   Note you can do this directly to your optical drive if you want, although I always just keep the image on a 2nd drive (and burn a backup DVD set).    Also, if you want the destination to be an external USB drive, you need to check the USB 2.0 Support box in the Settings menu.

Restoring is just as easy -- same process, except you select "Restore" and then choose the image file; then "paste" it to the partition you're restoring.
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GTKINCAuthor Commented:
Before I read your post I began the process and now it is backing up in Windows.  Should I stop it?  The only think I had to do was download and install PHYLOCK.
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Gary CaseRetiredCommented:
If I understand this correctly, you downloaded "Image for Windows" with the Phylock utility, and are backing up that way -- correct??

If so, it should work fine.   Personally, I NEVER do "live imaging" ==> i.e. backup up an OS partition while the OS is running.   No matter how good the file locking is, there's always room for error; and you'll usually discover that when you're trying to restore and find out the image is corrupted.   Doesn't happen often -- but ONCE is far too many times for me :-)

Imaging from a separately booted system is completely safe -- the OS you're imaging is not running, so the partition it's on is completely stable.   That's why I use Boot-It (or, for certain circumstances Image for DOS) but not Image for Windows.    I do trust Terabyte, however, so I'm sure my paranoia is not justified here -- so I wouldn't stop an image in progress.   (You can always do another image with Boot-It if you decide to be equally paranoid)


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GTKINCAuthor Commented:
Yes. I'm doing it live.  I'm also not a fan of Live Image but I wanted to try it.  I'll see how it works and go from there.
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Gary CaseRetiredCommented:
I'm sure it will work fine.   I have Boot-It set up so a simple double-click on an "Image Now" icon automatically reboots to Boot-It, creates an image, and then boots back to Windows ==>  I just go have a cup of coffee, a beer, lunch, or whatever and in ten minutes or so the system's right back where it was.   That does require you buy Boot-It, however, as otherwise you don't have the "Boot Now!" support that you need to do that.
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GTKINCAuthor Commented:
I have made the image and have booted to it, however I don't want to put it back over the same drive.  How can I do it to another drive?  It didn't appear to give me any options for changing the destination drive.
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Gary CaseRetiredCommented:
Not exactly sure what you're asking here.   Boot to Boot-It (don't forget to CANCEL);  go to Partition Work, and post your current drive structure here for each of your drives (the partition info).   Then describe WHICH partition you have imaged, what the name of the image is, and where it's stored.

If I understand what you want to do now - you want to "restore" the image (but not to the same partition you made it from).   Is that correct?
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GTKINCAuthor Commented:
Never mind I found it.  I'm talking about when booting to the DVD that I made with the Windows Image program.
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GTKINCAuthor Commented:
The DVD image was no good.  I did manage to get into everything with the boot disk, and yes I hit cancel this time.  However I didn't see any options that would let me image a drive to file within another drive.  All I could gather was that I could image from one to another.
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Gary CaseRetiredCommented:
Look at my post above (Date: 04/03/2006 11:08AM PDT)

When you see the "Paste Pending ..." message, you can choose which drive; and which partition on that drive ==> once you do that, a window opens for you to type the filename you want the image stored in (it has to observe the old 8-char DOS restrictions -- 8 characters, no spaces).  I'm not going to be around until later this evening -- but will be glad to "step you through it" in more detail then.

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GTKINCAuthor Commented:
I've followed the above instructions and the image has been successfully created.  Now I have connected the target drive and I'm following the above instructions with the exception of now I'm imaging a drive vs. gathering.  However once I browse out to where the image is and now browse to where I would like it to go, I don't get the paste option.
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Gary CaseRetiredCommented:
Not sure what you mean by "imaging vs gathering" ...

As I noted before, it would be useful if you posted the current partition structure of each of your drives and described exactlyl what you're trying to do.   The restore process works EXACTLY like the imaging process ==> when you click on Image you simply chose "Restore from file";  then select the file (select which drive it's on; then highlight the partition; then select the file); and then you'll get a "Paste Pending for Image Restore" note;  you then simply "point" to the partition you want the image restored to, and it's off to the races.
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GTKINCAuthor Commented:
Gather is taking the image, distributing is just that.  The image I want is on an 120gb drive.  I'm trying to place it on a 80gb drive.  When I try to paste it to the 80 the paste button is grayed out.  The image should only be about 4 - 6 GB
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Gary CaseRetiredCommented:
"... When I try to paste it to the 80 the paste button is grayed out ..." ==>  Do you have the "Paste Pending ..." message at the bottom of the window?   Do you then select the drive (HD-0, HD-1, HD-2, etc.)?   ... and do you then highlight the partition within the drive where you want the image?  (in the center)   If you're doing all of this and it's still greyed out, post the exact "view" of the partitions on both the 120gb and the 80gb drive here.
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GTKINCAuthor Commented:
I do have the paste pending at the bottom of the screen but when I select the destination drive I can't paste to it.

For HD0 I have
NewHD             Partition       76317 HPFS/NTFS

for HD1
MBR Entry 0     Partition    114463mb  HPFS/NTFS
--------            Partition         8mb      free space
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Gary CaseRetiredCommented:
Describe EVERY step you are using to restore this image.

e.g.

(1)  Click on Paritition Work
(2)  Confirm HD-1 is selected
(3)  Highlight the MBR Entry 0 Partition
(4)  Click on Image
(5)  Select Restore from File
(6)  ....

Be VERY detailed here !!

Also, which partition is the image of?   ... and what's the image name?
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GTKINCAuthor Commented:
1.  Click partition work, the work with partitions screen opens up.  I make sure HD1 is selected becuase this is where the image file lies.
2.  I select the MBR entry 0 then select image and choose restore from file

3.  It then list all of the folders and files in the root directory of the 120gb drive.  The image file name is newhd.img  I select it then choose ok.

4.  Past pending is now at the bottom of the work with partitions window.  I now select HD0 and highlight the NewHD partiton.  This is the point at which the paste button should be available but its not.  Here is where I'm stuck.

Food for thought, you do know I'm dealing with an evalutation copy, right?  I didn't know if this mattered.
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Gary CaseRetiredCommented:
Evaluation copy should still work.

Which partition is the image of??   i.e. describe the process you did when you created the image in detail.
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GTKINCAuthor Commented:
It is from another HD.  I don't have it connected anymore.  I made the image from another HD to the 120 that is connected now.  I now want that image to be on the 80 and that will be my primary HD.
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Gary CaseRetiredCommented:
What was the size of the partition you imaged?
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GTKINCAuthor Commented:
The partition size was 100 + GB however the image is only about 4 - 6 gb
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Gary CaseRetiredCommented:
I think that's the issue here ==> you can't restore a 100GB partition to 80GB of space.
(the size of the image doesn't matter)

I suggest you do the following:

(1)  Reconnect the other drive.
(2)  Boot to Boot-It (don't forget CANCEL), and go to Partition Work.
(3)  ReSize the partition to something smaller than your 80GB drive.   Personally I'd make it 25GB or so (I always separate system and data partitions); but choose whatever you want, just so it's smaller than your intended destination drive.
(4)  After it's resized, then make an image of it on your 120GB drive.
(5)  Now you should be able to restore it easily on your 80GB drive.
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Gary CaseRetiredCommented:
... I've NEVER seen Boot-It "mess up" in the resizing process, by the way.   It's extremely reliable.   But if you're concerned, remember -- you already have a complete backup of the 100GB partition in your current image :-)
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GTKINCAuthor Commented:
I thought about that earlier but with Ghost it didn't care.  I assumed that this program wouldn't either.  If I resize the partition 1st will that affect the files on it?  2nd When I put that image onto the 80gb hd will it change the partition size?
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Gary CaseRetiredCommented:
Boot-It is a very focused little tool ==> it does one thing at-a-time, and does it very well.   So the separate functions of resizing, "sliding", imaging, restoring, etc. are not combined.   It MAY (I don't recall) offer to fill the full partition when you're restoring to a larger partition, but if not it will just write it at whatever size it is (e.g. 25GB).   If you want it to fill the drive, you can simply ReSize it after the restore -- it will do that very quickly.
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GTKINCAuthor Commented:
I will try this and repost.  Thanks for all of your help.
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GTKINCAuthor Commented:
I think I'll stick with GHOST.  I resized the partition then repeated the process.  That did make it so that I could press the paste button.  I pasted the img to the HD and it said everything was sucessful.  However now my drive is stuck at the XP screen and I'm just watching the blue line ride back and forth.
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GTKINCAuthor Commented:
Once again I've jumped the Gun.  I rebooted and everything worked right.  I also went back in and resized the partition to the maximum size and everything still works great.  Its a little dangerous for a Novice but I think this program is worth the $27.00  Thanks for your patience and diligence Gary.
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Gary CaseRetiredCommented:
As I noted early on, the interface is a bit "geeky" ==> but it's a very well-focused to-the-task little utility that does very specific tasks and does them well.   I've NEVER had it "mess up" a partition -- something I can't say about Ghost, Drive Image, and a few others.   IF I was going to use one of the more "user friendly" imagers, I'd use Acronis True Image, which has an excellent reputation.   I would still, however, NOT do "live" imaging.

Note that if you buy Boot-It and install it to the hard drive (if you're going to do that, first ReSize your partition to free up a very small amount of space (8MB is all it needs) so it can install to its own partition), you have all of the partition tools available anytime you want; and you'll have "Boot Now!" support -- which is VERY powerful (but again requires a bit of a learning curve).   If you want to do that let me know and I'll post a couple of simple shortcuts you can put on your desktop to take advantage of it.
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GTKINCAuthor Commented:
Sounds great.  Thanks again for all of your help.  I'm sure we'll meet again.
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