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using a second wireless router as a bridge?

OK so I have two routers one that i am currently using and is connected to cable modem is the NETGEAR rangemax 240 wireless router (WPNT834) and also have a 108 MBps Wireless Media Router (WGT634U)  Basically I want to extend my signal, but also be able to hook up a computer using a wire (RJ45)  i want to do that because one of my computers does not have a wireless pci connection.. It needs to be hard wired... Anyways, i would like to use the WGT634U (108 MBps Wireless Media Router) as a Bridge to extend the internet connection.. Is this possible??? Also, my main router is using WEP 128 bit encryption for security puproses... So how would I put that information into the second wireless router, so it can connect to the main router.. I am pretty sure this can be done.. Haven't got a clue how i would set it up, especially with the security on it... Thanks in advance, any questions, feel free to ask, i will do my best to answer them
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Irwin SantosComputer Integration SpecialistCommented:
"Is this possible???"

YES
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Irwin SantosComputer Integration SpecialistCommented:
Give the WGT634U a WAN IP which would be a number part of the WPNT834 schema that is NOT in the DHCP IP leasings.  This number is static.. you will also have to manually set the subnet, gateway and dns.

On your WGT634U, configure WEP128
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PaigePeopleAuthor Commented:
very confused.....  also, where would i enter the passphrase and name i gave the router.. let's assume i called it netgear and passphrase is expertsexchange,  i go into the setup of the router i want to use as the bridge and enter the wan ip associated with the main router.. i believe the subnet is 255.255.255.0   i know the router acts as the dns, i believe i have it on auto... i sort of need a good walkthrough to follow, or a step by step from you just telling me what info to pull from main router and then where to enter those ip numbers/passphrases,device name,  like everything to a T if you could
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Craig_200XCommented:
you would enter the passphrase / ssid on the wireless clients.


Wireless ap/router: you give the IP address of the wireless an IP that is on the same SUBNET as the main router, and disable dhcp like Irwinpks said. then set the gateway ip of the main router as the private/lan IP of the main router.

Mainrouter: normal setup to internet - however the ISP has instructed. leasing DHCP requests.

clients to request IP s via dhcp with passphrase/ssid name you configured in the wireless.
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Irwin SantosComputer Integration SpecialistCommented:
@Craig_200x...well said.
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PaigePeopleAuthor Commented:
yeah i am having a problem getting into the router config... i hooked ity up to the main router using a wire, wentr into the MAIN routers config (www.routerlogin.com  or you can use 192.168.1.1)  and clicked on attached devices, saw the 2nd router had the ip of 192.168.1.5  so i typed that into the browser assuming it would bring me to the router config page, but just said page not found... I am thinking the only way i can get into the config is if i set the 2nd router up as the mian one tem,porarily, edit the settings, then unconnect it from cable modem and re connect the main router and then set up thwe second router in another room and hope it connects to the mian router??? hope that came out clear... Let me know if there is a way to do this withjout disconnecting the mian router..... thanks...  would like to get this working tonight...
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Craig_200XCommented:
yes - if you cant connect any other way - hook into the second one DIRECTLY then make absolutely pos it is set correctly, ie 192.168.1.5 255.255.255.0 gateway 192.168.1.1... making sure the dhcp is off too. How you connected it to the first router may be the question. if you are using a regular patch cord. hook the uplink into one of the 1-4 ports.. not the uplink.. uplinks to uplink use crossovers. uplink to port use normal patch cord.
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PaigePeopleAuthor Commented:
so i would make it a static ip of 192.168.1.5??  and then once the main router is installed, put an address reservation for that device of 192.168.1.5   im going to try setting this up one more time before bed....   im assuming that is all i have to do is set those 3 options in the LAN setup or wan setup... the 255.255.255.0 subnet  IP of 192.168.1.5  and dhcp server to 192.168.1.1  
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Craig_200XCommented:
you give it a static "reservation" if it is going to be a dhcp client. the router will know based on traffic that there is a device with that ip so it wont give it out to cause problems.

sounds like you got it unless theres something else involved. let us know how it goes!

Good Luck
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Craig_200XCommented:
I just reread that... just to be TOTALLY clear.. on the Wireless - make it static.. shut off dhcp and put a gateway 192.168.1.1
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PaigePeopleAuthor Commented:
ok... im going to try it in five minutes... need to do something else real quick.... i will defintley let you know how it goes... keeping my fingers crossed
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PaigePeopleAuthor Commented:
So i just tried setting my router wired directly to cable modem  
i'm not sure if i did it right b/c its not working... i changed the LAN Ip of the router to a static ip of 192.168.1.10   changed subnet mask to 255.255.254.0 (thinking it should be 255.255.255.0)  and changed gateway to 192.168.1.1   there are two places where i could enter this info, so i did enter it in both places... think it was LAN settings and BASIC settings of the 2nd router WGT634U   also, you are aware im trying to connect the 2nd router to the main router WIRELESSLY... since thats what im trying to do, i do not understand why i would not have to enter a passphrase to connect to the main router, all my computers must use one to connect to mian router... If this is true, i'm thinking why couldnt a neighbor just extend my main router, i do have the most basic settings, like subnet is 255.255.255.0  gateway is 192.168.1.1   all the defaults, so if they just entered that info they could tap into my network??? thats not very secure then... but first things first, i need to get this 2nd router working wirelessly to extend my network and allow me to connect some wired computers using the second router (it does have wired ports and its wireless as well)  basically my main reason for doing this is because occasionaly i will fix friends computers and they wont have wireless cards... hopefully you can see that im doing something wrong.... since i changed the second router to those settings, i cant even get into the router config... i even tried using 192.168.1.10   still not woring... i guess i can always reset all router settings and try again... i hope :)  anyways thanks again for all your time and help...



this is the router info for my main router WPNT834

Router Status
 
Account Name       WPNT834
Firmware Version       V1.0_24 NA
 
Internet Port
MAC Address       00:14:6c:66:b4:87
IP Address       69.249.71.80
DHCP       DHCP Client
IP Subnet Mask       255.255.254.0
Domain Name Server       68.87.64.146
68.87.75.194
 
LAN Port
MAC Address       00:14:6c:66:b4:86
IP Address       192.168.1.1
DHCP       On
IP Subnet Mask       255.255.255.0
 
Wireless Port
Name (SSID)       NETGEAR
Region       United States
Channel       6 (P)+10 (S)
Mode       Up to 240 Mbps
Wireless AP       ON
Broadcast Name       ON
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PaigePeopleAuthor Commented:
Ok quick question,  why is there two subnet masks, one for the LAN and one for Internet Port....   which one would i use... i think intially i entered 255.255.254.0    hope that didnt make my 2nd router inoperable... i have messed up routers before.... well that was with updating the firmware... thing was completely trashed
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PaigePeopleAuthor Commented:
ok, so i reset the second router WGT634U  and then tried applying the settings one by one... thing is, i first turned off the act as DHCP server and then hit apply and once it finsihed applying it went to PAGE NOT FOUND... then i tired to get back into the router and i couldnt... so i reset it again and will wait until tomorrow to do anyting again.... hopefully we can get this working,, i have 3 hours of sleep ahead of me then work... cant believe i stayed up so late... wondering what is going wrong... i will take screen shots tomorrow for you so you can tell me exactly where to enter this info... i must be entering this info in the wrong spot... who knows... thanks again!!
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Craig_200XCommented:
the subnet masks are different because there are 2 networks - one being the isp network... which looks like you did it right... same with the lan port.. looks right...the other network is YOUR private / internal network.

so lets looks at this wireless router... when you change the ip to static. You are accessing it via the static ip from then on right? (ie x.x.x.5) So when you get page not found. You put in the NEW address you just changed it too right?




also your computer IS able to get to the internet right - through the first router?
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PaigePeopleAuthor Commented:
yes everything works from the first router fine... On the second router i made it a static IP address of 192.168.1.10... i will look at it in a few hours after work... but there are a few different areas where i could enter the ip address.  I am assuming i would enter it the LAN setup area,  NOT the wan...  So yeah after i changed it to the static ip of 192.168.1.10   i could not log into the config of that router, so i tried the given static ip  of 192.168.1.10 to try and get into the setup, but page not found happened again... so i must be changing the options in the wrong spot... im not home right now, so tonight when i get home i will try doing this again, if it doesnt work out i will take screenshots of exactly where i am entering this info...  I want to pull all the data from main router that is under LAN PORT, right??  this info below

LAN Port
MAC Address      00:14:6c:66:b4:86
IP Address      192.168.1.1
DHCP      On
IP Subnet Mask      255.255.255.0


Also, should i turn DHCP off on the MAIN ROUTER as well as the secondary router.. I did turn it off on the added router at first, but like i said, once i did that, i could not get into the config, that was the only opeion i changed too, then hit applly and it didnt allow me to re enter the config area.. I didn't even change any other settings.. so technically, i should have been still able to use 192.168.1.1    i'm still so curious to how the router can connect to my MAIN router that is using WEP 128 password/passphrase...  how come all the computers need to enter that info to connect to the main router and the added secndary router can connect to the MAIN router without having to enter the passphrase... I said it earlier, wouldn't a neighbot be able to extend my network if he is somewhat smart and deceides to enter the default values the network is using, like gateway 192.168.1.1, subnet of 255.255.255.0     those are defintley defaults that most routers use... it just seems odd that it could connect without entering the passphrase... I hope i can get this working tonight, it's become very frustrating at this point!!! thanks again!
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Craig_200XCommented:
dont turn dhcp off on the main router- only the wireless.


"I did turn it off on the added router at first, but like i said, once i did that, i could not get into the config, that was the only opeion i changed too, then hit applly and it didnt allow me to re enter the config area"

what do you mean? you changed the IP on the second router? when you tried to reconnect- you entered the ip you changed it TO, right?


"  i'm still so curious to how the router can connect to my MAIN router that is using WEP 128 password/passphrase"

ok.. lets look at this some more, you have WIRING going between the routers right? ethernet/patch cord? or a crossover?

the wep is for CLIENTS to connect wireless to the AP which connects via ethernet to the MAIN router.

[CLIENTS] - - - - - -wireless - - - - - - [AP]-------------[MAIN ROUTER]-------------[INTERNET]



"I said it earlier, wouldn't a neighbot be able to extend my network if he is somewhat smart and deceides to enter the default values the network is using, like gateway 192.168.1.1, subnet of 255.255.255.0"

The only way anyone could get in is WIRED through the main router, OR WIRELESS WITH the CORRECT passphrase.


Good Luck
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Craig_200XCommented:
oK i just got what your trying to do.. you are trying to use two wireless routers to connect without wiring.. Im sorry I misunderstood , I thought you were trying to use one.... the second router has to be either a CLIENT or Bridge of the first router. Is there an option in either of the routers for this?? i looked through the manuals for both of them and couldnt find one. If there is you can do this. If not you wont be able to do it with those router.. .

I do know this can be done on linksys wap54g if that is any consolation.

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PaigePeopleAuthor Commented:
yeah thats exactly what im trying to do... basically trying to use the second wireless router as a bridge, connecting to the mian router through the air (wirelessly)  otheriwse i would have to run a 100 foot cable into the room with all the computers... I have the cable modem and mian router in a different room, because my roomate uses his computer upstairs all the time and it gives the best signal for both of us in that room... However, if i have any computers i need to fix, i bring them into the office room where all computers are, and if that computer im fixing has wireless, then great i can connect, but most of the time they are computers that need to be wired... I'm just trying to avoid running the 100 foot wire throughout the house.. Maybe i will just find a good wireless bridge.. I was trying to save money by using the second router as the bridge... hmmm, if you think of anything else let me know...
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PaigePeopleAuthor Commented:
I will look further into this this weekend... but yeah, most likely wont be able to do this... that really sucks.... I should buy an antenna that is HUGE... i did buy a new antenna for the main router, but it still doesnt have a strong signal throughout the house... its a problem because one of my computers is hosting a web page for my friends business, and it sporadically loses the wireless connection...
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PaigePeopleAuthor Commented:
OK check it out, you might be able to help me.... im now trying to do what you were originally telling me to do... I am using a wire to connect the wireless router (WGT634U)  lets just call that one (A) , to the rangemax (WPNT834---acting as MAIN ROUTER, CABLE MODEM IS GOING DIRECTLY TO THIS ROUTER) lets call this one B,  and then i was trying to run a wire from the wireless router (A)  to another computer that has an ethernet pci card.. Basically, when i have the wire that is coming from MAIN router (B) going into one of the 1-4 slots on router (A) the internet works, but if i have it connected to the LAN port, the internet does not work... I want to be able to use router (A) to connect a computer that runs a webserver, because as of now the wireless connection goes in and out and the web site is unstable, i want it to be connected wired... I also can not get into the config area (192.168.1.1) of either router when its connected in one of the (1-4) ports, if it is connected in the LAN port i can login to the config of ROUTER (A) but cannot login to the config of (B).... i want to do exactly what you were orignally explaining to me...

but when i did have it connected in the LAN port i went into the config of the WIRELESS ROUTER (A)  and went into the LAN SETUP and put in a static IP of 192.168.1.20, turned dhcp off, then hit apply and the page could not be found, i could not get back into config, i tried both 192.168.1.1 and 192.168.1.20      should i leave the WAN setup to original default settings and change the WAN SETUP?? I just wrote a lot of confusing stuff, but i think you will get the idea.... i want to use ROUTER B to extend my original router, using wires so i have a stable connection to my web server and possibly use it for computers i fix for friends from time to time..  to be honest, if it helps, i dont even need to connect wirelessly to the second router, I just need it for 2wired connections my web server and the occasional computer i need to fix for a friend or work. My other computers are fine connected wirelessly through the main router (B)    man, im really sorry if thats confusing, but i hope you get it... thanks again for your time!!!!  any questiuons let me know... also, i can take screen shots for you if you need any, maybe of the config areas...   also, what would i have to set on the MAIN ROUTER (B) if anything,  i have not touched one setting on that..
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Craig_200XCommented:
to make configuration simple - disconnect all cables from the router your configuring and plug directly into the router with a computer and try to hit either of the ips ( x.x.x.1 or x.x.x.20).

if you cant hit it RESET it and try again... thats the fastest way..

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make sure you shut the dhcp off on the second router. (statically assign an IP to your pc network card/adapter that is within the 255.255.255 subnet, i.e. 192.168.1.5 dns and gateway can be set to 192.168.1.1

when configuring the gateway and dns of the router -- make it the ip of the OTHER router.... the one that goes to the internet... 192.168.1.1 subnet mask should be the same as the other router too (255.255.255.0)

then reconnect all the cables ( uplink to lan interface)

if you still have probs. lemme know the entire config of both routers..
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Irwin SantosComputer Integration SpecialistCommented:
@paigepeople....post back your results from craig's last comment
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PaigePeopleAuthor Commented:
OK, been very busy, sorry for not getting back to this question, however, i just found a HUB in a closet full of computer stuff i have accumulated over the years.. I am wondering if i just ran a wire from my MAIN router into one of the hubs ports, would that solve my problem?? I have decieded i can run a 100 foot rj45 into the other room... I guess i could use the other router too.. I tried using the router and connecting the rj45 (100ft) into the LAN port but it did not work, i think somebdy said i needed to use a different cable to do that an uplink cable?? What is that called if i were to look for it at best buy or compusa... Anyways, i would like to try and use the hub so i can avoid spending more money... i am assuming the 100 ft uplink?? cable would cost a good bit of money... thanks again and sorry for taking so long with this question...
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