This is kind of "Excelish". Let's say I have 20 detail records on a page. I'd like to put a rectangle around each column, but surround all 20 records, not each individual record's cell. So, turning on border's won't work. What I've done so far is I've drawn a line and put one on the edge of each field. With the detail section the same height as the fields, these lines look like one long line when printed. The only problem I have is to get the top and bottom lines only ONCE in the detail section - BEFORE the first record and AFTER the last record per page! This is purely visual. If it won't work, no big deal. I'm sure there are properties that know the first last record, but per page? or per section? The page might fit 25 records and if the client has 35 records, 25 on the first page and 10 on the second, the top and bottom lines of the "rectangle" have to show in the proper place, right before the first record and right after the last records. It seems like Crystal Reports used to do this without fail - that was years ago when I used that. Ideas?