Can I "user" (windows) install a rootkit?

Can I "user" (windows) install a rootkit?
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mnb93Asked:
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jhanceConnect With a Mentor Commented:
In theory no since the things that a rootkit needs to do to be installed require administrator privilege.  But this is the entire basis for concern over "holes" in Windows (as well as other OS's).  If the exploitation of a bug can lead to enhanced privileges (and many do) then a rootkit or other thing can installed to permit continued access at increased privilege even after the original "hole" is corrected.
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Rich RumbleSecurity SamuraiCommented:
Agreed, most times you are not able to or vulnerable to install rootkits if your not an admin
http://xinn.org/win_bestpractices.html http://xinn.org/Sony-DRM.html
http://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2005/11/sonys_drm_rootk.html
-rich
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ashburyConnect With a Mentor Commented:
In windows 2000 and XP , most of the installations require Admin Privileges and also keep a difficult password for Admin and Admin group user(s).
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ahoffmannCommented:
simple question, simple answer: yes
or do I miss something special (not guessing:) in the question?
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mnb93Author Commented:
"simple question, simple answer: yes" How come everyone above said to the contrary?
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24BY7Commented:
Everyone above said yes... BUT with 1 condition... only if you have Admin privlages.. now if you dont... it is still possible... but I wont be teaching here how to hack.. why do you need to know... if its not a secret ? :)
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mnb93Author Commented:
"only if you have Admin privlages.. now if you dont... it is still possible" That's what I am referrering to when I say "user".

"but I wont be teaching here how to hack.. why do you need to know... if its not a secret ? :)" - Yes this does seem like a little high school kid wanting who heard the word rootkit of cnn and then came here wanting the code written for him. However I would like to know if it is possible just using "user" privilages, not exploiting some bug to gain anything higher. (Which I know you could do until Microsoft patched it)
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ahoffmannConnect With a Mentor Commented:
> .. not exploiting some bug to gain anything higher
if the OS (or whatever some vendors name to be an OS) has no (security) bugs, then a user cannot install a rootkit which then has root priviledges, for obvious reason ;-)
I'm still wondering about your question, it sounds useless if you still know all the preconditions.
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Rich RumbleConnect With a Mentor Security SamuraiCommented:
Agreed on the point of no bugs, no priv escalation is possible to allow the root kit to be installed. You can by-pass certain group policies still (see below) but not obtain Admin rights necessarialy.
http://www.sysinternals.com/blog/2005/04/circumventing-group-policy-settings.html
http://www.sysinternals.com/blog/2005/12/circumventing-group-policy-as-limited.html <---
http://www.sysinternals.com/blog/2005/10/bypass-traverse-checking-or-is-it.html
-rich
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