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I cannot get the PCI assignments to work

Here is the current configuration:

xp pro
agp card in the agp slot driving the monitor
pci slots 1 - 4 empty
pci slot 5 has a pci ide hard drive
using a ps2 (not usb) mouse and keyboard
There are 2 type 1 usb slots in the back of this older machine (and 1 of them is loose)
I did an bootit image (using a pirated A drive ffrom another system).

Now, I am going to set the linksys pci card in PCI slot 4 and see what happens.  If it comes up, and I can access the internet, I will do another bootit image.

Will advise
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bob733
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Gary CaseRetiredCommented:
Bob -- sounds like this system is keeping you busy :-)

I see you got a Boot-It image done -- is this with the same hard drive you've been using?

I would expect the Linksys card to work in any slot except possibly #1 (the one beside the AGP slot).

Is the CD drive working in this system?   ... if so, is it connected to the internal IDE channel?
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bob733Author Commented:
The bootit is with the same hard drive.  I was able to substitude another A floppy drive which indicates the orginal floppy had gone bad.

the linksys card worked fine in the slot 3 and I can access the internet.  I powered down and up the machine to make sure it was stable.  It was, so I am now doing the second image. which will have the following configuration:

xp pro
agp card in the agp slot driving the monitor
pci slots 1 2 and 4 empty
Pci slot 3 has a pci linksys card
pci slot 5 has a pci ide hard drive
using a ps2 (not usb) mouse and keyboard
There are 2 type 1 usb slots in the back of this older machine (and 1 of them is loose)
I did an bootit image (using a pirated A drive ffrom another system).

The cd still tells me to put a CD in it (eventhough there is one there).  It is on an ide ribbon (that also had on Iomega drive on it (that I disconnected)).  After the 2nd image is done, I am going to try to pirate another cd drive (from the same older system that I Pirated the A Floppy drive) unless you think there might be something else I can do (to get the cd to work).  As it is, I can (and actually am) useing the external USB cd drive so having an internal CD drive that I could use was not as critical as getting a floppy I could use bootit from.

Bob

Bob
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Gary CaseRetiredCommented:
Glad the hard drive was not, in fact, bad.   I was going to suggest that in your other question -- but you accepted the answer before I had a chance to comment.    You might try a different cable for the CD drive; and you should also confirm it has the correct master/slave/cable-select setting.  Another thing that MIGHT work (not all add-in cards work with optical drives) is to connect it to your add-in IDE card (the one in slot 5).

... just remember to do one step at a time -- and image after each successful configuration change (keeping track, of course, of the configuration associated with each image).
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bob733Author Commented:
Ok, the Old Dell is 3/4 of the way there.  Here is what is working solid now:

xp pro
agp card in the agp slot driving the monitor
pci slots 1 and 4 empty
Pci slot 2 has a 'Sound Blaster 24 bit pci card
Pci slot 3 has a pci linksys card
pci slot 5 has a pci ide hard drive
using a ps2 (not usb) mouse and keyboard

The machine appears very stable. I did an image as it is now plus a restore point.  MY next objective is to fixe the CD drive (Pirate? use another IDE cable? etc/).  Bottom line is I can live without the cd as an external  cd works.

The next really interesting fact is when I orginally tried putting the sound card in Pci slot 4, (which is right next to the HD in Pci slot 5), I had a pci resource conflict.  That is why I moved the sound card to Pci slot 2 which elimanted the pci resource conflict.  It is as if the system cannot tollarate anything next to the PCI slot 5 HD

Bob
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Gary CaseRetiredCommented:
Yes, the slot positions can definitely make a difference.   But it sounds like you're very close to home.

Computer ... CPU ... memory ... video card ... floppy drive ... hard drive (and since the controller works, you could almost certainly add another hard drive if you elected to) ... sound card ... network ==> all working fine and imaged.

So ... the optical drive is the only thing left.   I'd try both the primary and the secondary IDE channel;  at least two IDE cables (in each position); and a different CD drive.   If none of those work, your IDE channels are probably shot on the motherboard.    Does your add-in IDE controller (the one in slot 5) support optical drives?   (or is that actually a card-mounted hard drive??  -- you've been saying it was a "pci ide hard drive" which I'm assumed meant was really a controller card, but there are some drives actually mounted to cards)

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bob733Author Commented:
the Hd has an ide flat cable going from it to a pci card (the one in slot 5). The pci has 2 connectors on the card.  I dont know what the other one is for other than maby a secondard hd (slave?).

The cd has an ide flat cable going from it to one of the 2 connectors on the mother board.  The cd is only recognized by the system when it is one of the connectors (connector 1 on the motherboard).  The other connector (connector 2 on the motherboard does not recognize the cd when the cable is plugged into it.  In anyevent, eventhough device manager shows the cd to be there, it does not read it at all (ie., wihen I try windows on the cd, it says to put a cd in (eventhough there is one in there now).

Device manager and Everest lists it as a samsung dvd-rom sd608 model and I am looking for the drivers for it to try to load them.  So far, I haven't found them but I will eventually.

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Gary CaseRetiredCommented:
You should not need drivers for the optical drive.  Chances are pretty good that either (a) the drive is bad (the simple test here is just plug in a different optical drive -- CD or DVD won't matter);  or (b)  your motherboard's IDE controller is bad -- quite possible since it won't work with a hard drive (I presume that's why you're using an add-in card).

As I noted above, not all add-in cards work with optical drives;  but it won't hurt to try it.   Just plug your DVD drive into the 2nd connector on your add-in card and see if that resolves this.
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Gary CaseRetiredCommented:
... your add-in card most likely has two IDE channels (just like your motherboard).   You could put two devices on each channel if you wanted to (with the right cable).   But just leave the hard drive on one channel by itself and try the DVD on the other channel.   I'd be sure the DVD drive is jumpered as Master for that test.

What's the make/model of your add-in card??
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bob733Author Commented:
Gary.  To answer your last two comments:
Your quote:

b)  your motherboard's IDE controller is bad -- quite possible since it won't work with a hard drive (I presume that's why you're using an add-in card).

My response. I dont know.  The system came with the Pci card with the grey flat cable coming from one of the Pci card's connectors and going to the HD.  I never tried plugging the HD into either of the motherboard connectors (because it works fine coming from the pci card).  

I did try hooking the DVD into the second connector port on the pci card (with the first conncetor driving the HD).  The cards second connector did not recognize the DVD.  

I also treid hooking the dvd into the second conncetor on the motherboard.  It did not recognize it either.

Bottom line:  The dvd is only recognized (Device manager) if it is hooked into the 1st connector of the motherboard.  But, it will not read any disks.

So, I think I have to try another dvd hooked to the cable to rule out a bad dvd.  But if this works, it is really unusaual for both a floppy and a cd to go bad on the same machine.





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Gary CaseRetiredCommented:
My guess is the IDE controller on the motherboard is bad AND the add-in PCI IDE card is one that does NOT support optical drives.   Hopefully I'm wrong -- trying another optical drive will confirm that.

If I'm correct, you'll either have to use an external USB optical drive, OR buy a different PCI IDE card that includes support for optical drives.

Try another optical drive first -- hopefully that will work :-)
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bob733Author Commented:
Problem resolved.  It was a bad optical drive.  I pirated an older cd drive (Samsung sc140) and took the ide and power out of the internal Samsung sd608 to hook up the sc140.  It recognized it (Found new cd drive at boot time), and i can access the folders on a cd in the sc140.  Now, I have to image this system (as per your suggestion) and figure out how to take the two bad drivce (floppy and sd608) out of the machine and replace them with the priated devices.

Thanks once again gary.

Points to you and glad to see you are getting active again.  I have another question about utilities you would include in your "toolbox" when you go to fix someones system and would apppreciate your answer.  I know a lot of it is in your head (what to do) and that only comes from experiece but would appreciate your insight anyway.

Have a good one.

Bob
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Gary CaseRetiredCommented:
You're welcome ...  and r.e. "getting active again" ==>  only moderately active => I refuse to do more than 100,000 points/month (deal with spouse)   (I was doing well over 250,000 for the first few months)

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