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Alright im back to the stuttering/hiccuping problem. I have bought a new computer, i put it together myself and i seem to have the same or a very similar problem to what i had in my old computer.

***** Old computer specs******
win2k sp1 sp3
1700+ amd xp
geforce3 4.1 drivers
creative audigy oem 5.1
basic network netgear card
768 pc 133 ram
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Here are some links from the past which address the same or similar issue which i posted back when i had the old machine which never got fixed for the record :/ below is some history of the problem

http://www.experts-exchange.com/Hardware/Q_20635783.html
http://www.experts-exchange.com/Hardware/Q_20638722.html

***NEW CURRENT SYSTEM SPECS***

Processor: AMD Athlon 64 3200+ Venice 2000MHz HT Socket 939
Motherboard: SOLTEK SL-K8TPro-939
Memory: CORSAIR XMS 1GB (2 x 512MB) 184-Pin DDR SDRAM Unbuffered DDR 400 (PC 3200)
Harddrive: Western Digital Caviar RE WD1600SB 160GB 7200 RPM 8MB Cache IDE Ultra ATA100
Soundcard: soundblaster xfi xtrememusic
PSU: Aspire Super UV Reactive Computer Power Supply
OS: Windows XP Pro SP2 and all the latest patches

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The problem was for a stuttering every 1-10 mins... sometimes it happens every min, sometimes it wont happen for 15-30mins. This stutter might occur out in windows but its most noticable in games. I took some screenshots of the windows processes while playing and took a picture when it stuttered. Its like the game is paused and unpaused rapidly a few times in a second... so say the game playing smoothly is like ---------------------  what happens it goes like --------pause-pause--------- say each -(dash) represents a millisecond. this happens all through playing, doesnt matter when if its loading, or everything is loaded. I have tried super cooling, turning all fans to max, and letting things get toasty by turning everything to min. No difference.

here are the screen shots FIRST ILL POST how it is during idling in windows
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<img src="https://home.comcast.net/~heung7/idlingnormal.jpg">

<img src="https://home.comcast.net/~heung7/idlingnormal1.jpg">

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A "spike" of activity, might be a stutter but i cant tell since im in windows doing pretty much nothing

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<img src="https://home.comcast.net/~heung7/spike.jpg">

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NORMAL IN GAME PROCESS LEVELs

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<img src="https://home.comcast.net/~heung7/normal.jpg">

<img src="https://home.comcast.net/~heung7/normal1.jpg">

<img src="https://home.comcast.net/~heung7/normal2.jpg">

<img src="https://home.comcast.net/~heung7/normal3.jpg">

<img src="https://home.comcast.net/~heung7/normal4.jpg">

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During or right after a "stutter/hiccup"

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<img src="https://home.comcast.net/~heung7/stutter.jpg">

<img src="https://home.comcast.net/~heung7/stutter1.jpg">

<img src="https://home.comcast.net/~heung7/stutter2.jpg">

<img src="https://home.comcast.net/~heung7/stutter3.jpg">

<img src="https://home.comcast.net/~heung7/stutter4.jpg">

<img src="https://home.comcast.net/~heung7/stutter5.jpg">

<img src="https://home.comcast.net/~heung7/stutter6.jpg">


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This problem of stutter has plagued me through 2 completely different computers... if anyone could help me remedy this i will be so thankful... you cant even imagine... building a whole new computer... just to have it hiccup like the old one... argg.
i have tried, running without soundcard, without lan, tweaked virtual memory settings, ive search all over the internet for an answer but i cant... ive tried various bios tweaks to no avail... i dont know what to do anymore...

I know its a long post but im trying to give you guys as much to work with as possible, please please please help me out. If there is anything else i could give please ask...
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by:s4m222
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okay, the image linking did not work... but they work as a URL if an admin could make those links work i would be in great debt =)
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by:s4m222
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to me it seems like nothing is specifically wrong, but the stutter is caused by ALOT of little background activities acting up in unison... usually there is the main program consuming 99% of the cpu and 1-3 other background programs taking up 1-5% but usually during a 'stutter" 5-10 processes consume a percentage of the CPU for a second or two then it drops back down to the normal 2-3 coasting around 1-5%
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by:Irwin Santos
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Are you overclocking?  If so, do not.

Apply this
go to MSCONFIG, START-RUN-type MSCONFIG <enter> then located any programs you recognize that you can turn off. Note your changes as you may need to re-enter them.  Restart your machine

Also, what is running on your system in the background..such as Anti_virus, MSN.. stuff that is in your system tray.

Lastly what video card do you have?  If you're playing Counter Strike, you may want to get a better card than that Geforce 3
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by:s4m222
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o and i have have tried disabling nortons, in fact most of those screenshots were taken with antivirus disabled, fyi~ im not on a wireless, im on a lan, all drivers are lastest, i have no viruses run spy/adware cleaners daily, defrag regularly and with a 150gig HD im only using like 30% of it... this the bugs the crap out of me how even after completely purchasing a new system how i have the same problem...
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no overclocking, though i have and it doesnt make a difference~
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Saurabh Dua earned 500 total points
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Do u have some strong magnetic interference near ur PC ..?

It may be a good set of speakers, or even a flourcent tube light, try to change the location of the PC..

And even if u've used new hardware, the software is pretty much the same, except winxp with patches, so it may be possible that the setup / dumps of sw u have r pirated or corrupt which cannot be played without slutter..

So the best bet is to use the same software on a friend's PC, see if any slutter , if not, please tell if any hardware , u've taken from old PC ?

And last but not the least , format teh HDD, then install only one game, just after installing drivers, not even the antivirus u have ( Symantec/ Norton ).. , infact it's the software and it's settings u r using which may be causing the sluttering..

then see if there is no pause in game, slowly , one by one install other sw, and pi point when exactly the sluttering begins
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by:s4m222
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in my system tray, i have my logitech mouse icon, my lan icon, sound icon, antivirus, and nvidia icon, i have done the msconfig and have disable most of the unnecessary services also

That is my Old system with the geforce 3, the one im currently using is a PNY geforce 6600 which is more than adequate for CS 1.6
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by:s4m222
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it stutters of a fresh format, ive tried reducing the components, taking out sound card, etc~ no workie~ ive tried playing with my speakers off.. i actually use my earphones mostly, my room light is the indecasent(sp) yellow...
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by:Irwin Santos
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run

chkdsk /r
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by:s4m222
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old pc was an a win2k while new one is winxp... the only thing remotely in common is that im using amd processors for both... but im hoping everyone with an amd processor isnt dealing with a stuttering problem...
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by:Irwin Santos
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got the latest

BIOS
CHIPSET
Video

updates & drviers?
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by:Saurabh Dua
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The AMD brand is a nice one, with no relation to sluttering.

But reply:

Even if speakers r off , the magnetic field still remains, so can u take them far?

And are u using 80 conductor cable for the HDD ?

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by:venom96737
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Its half life turn it off for a day or so i bet your studder goes away.
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by:venom96737
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Probably got ahold of a bad patch in your half life game.
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by:kcarrim
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Run a spyware and virus scan then see this thread > http://www.pcdoctors.co.za/e107_plugins/forum/forum_viewtopic.php?1913.post
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by:s4m222
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nopes, Hl is good, reinstalled etc... it updates through steam... doesnt really mess up much...

ill try the speaker thing~ as that is one thing that has been a constant... ill remove it, for the HDD im just usually the parallel ones... not the new sata thin ones but the normal grey fat ones...

i run adaware and nortons antivirus is on all the time...

lastest bios, chipset, video updated... ive tried all the normal things people recommend... like drivers, virus scans, defrag...

so ill try the speaker thing asap..
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by:Saurabh Dua
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No buddy even in the parallel ones, there r 2 type:
40 conductor,: which can degrade performance
80 conductor: Best throughput, as they support UDMA mode 5 ..

to check it's 80 conductor or not, just count the no. of line on the parallel cable , thay must be close to 80 on each side..
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by:Irwin Santos
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out of the box potential solution...

pull 1 of your RAM modules out and run 1 at a time.. then alternate... any performance difference?  make sure the first RAM slot is filled when you do this.
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by:s4m222
ID: 16601051
yea its 80 conductor =)
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by:s4m222
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its not the speaker thing~  i tried putting it 10 feet away, and tried putting the sub woofer RIGHt next to the pc... no difference~
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apply my RAM module test procedure please
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by:s4m222
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hmm something i noticed, i have ddr400 ram, 2 sticks of paired corsair ram, they are running at 200mhz instead of 400? could this be why?
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"hmm something i noticed, i have ddr400 ram, 2 sticks of paired corsair ram, they are running at 200mhz instead of 400? could this be why?"

Yes.. how about replacing that?
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well i have 4 extra sticks of different DDR 400 so ill try those first :)
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by:Irwin Santos
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alright.. let us know
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by:s4m222
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well i check the corsair website they are supposed to run at 200mhz, nm im doing the ram stick test as we speak
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by:Irwin Santos
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will the board let you run a single stick?

and even if it let you run 200mhz.. perhaps use a 400mhz you would be better off.
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by:s4m222
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i checked ram they are fine, its DDR ram so 200mhz x 2 = 400 im an idiot~ the ram modules are fine, the speaker thing didnt work...

just think about it how come multiple process want to spike at the same time... usually there are like 2-3 process along with the MAIN one taking up 99%... but why would 3-8 additional processes act up at the SAME time? what would cause that?

i dont know if you guys actually took a look at the picture i posted, but they show exactly what my problem is, i just dont know how to fix it...
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Well...let's check for malware

Download and Install.
http://www.majorgeeks.com/HijackThis_d3155.html

Copy and paste your log to:
http://www.hijackthis.de/index.php?langselect=english
Click ANALYZE

Look for NASTIES and post your results here
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Download Ewido, http://www.ewido.net/en/download/, install, open program, check for updates, restart computer, press F8 before windows logo appears, select safe mode, open Ewido, run full system scan. let Ewido delete all it finds, if anything is called serious by Ewido, disable Norton's Goback, and run Ewido again.
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ill try that, but it happens off a fresh format also...
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by:s4m222
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HERE ARE MY NASTIES

 R3 - Default URLSearchHook is missing    
Nasty   This entry was classified from our visitors as bad.
 

  O2 - BHO: Viewpoint Toolbar BHO - {A7327C09-B521-4EDB-8509-7D2660C9EC98} - C:\Program Files\Viewpoint\Viewpoint Toolbar V35\ViewBarBHO.dll    
Nasty   Entries found in this registry zone are potentially nasty. This application ([A7327C09-B521-4EDB-8509-7D2660C9EC98] - Result: A7327C09-B521-4EDB-8509-7D2660C9EC98) has been checked. Hit rate: 100,00%


O8 - Extra context menu item: &Viewpoint Search - res://C:\Program Files\Viewpoint\Viewpoint Toolbar V35\ViewBar.dll/CXTSEARCH.HTML    
Nasty   The entry &Viewpoint Search has been identified as nasty.


 
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i ran the ewido thing... it cleared 44 items... ALL of which were adware or cookies... the same stuff my adaware picks up...
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I highly doubt, its Memory, or Virus, adaware, malware related... something with how the processes all spike at the same time... its not ONE process hogging and boggin my machine its just a surge of normal processes doing there little thing but all at the same time... and this happens very sporadically... sometimes every 30 seconds, sometimes not for 30+ mins... the ONLY pattern there is, is that the stutters are like a pulse..  It comes and fades away, it comes and fades away, but i dont know what causes it... maybe its just the processes cycling through normally and when they all cycle at the same time it stutters? but the thing is my friends MUCH less powerful system runs the same programs without hiccups (of course at settings adjusted for that machines capabilities)      i have NO clue!

List of Things i have tried
-memory modules test
-virus, adware, spyware, malware removal
-defrag, cleanup, the likes
-new HD
-added ram
-reduced heat, added heat (no effect)
-run checkdisk
-lowering acceleration
-remove unneeded processes from startup, msconfig
-move speakers away - maybe magnetism affecting.. as suggested... one question on this if a source of magnetism was present say during the format, during installation of programs could the affects of magnetism actually affect the computer even if no errors happened?
-taking sound card off
-heatsink is on right with artic silver
-format
-tried tweaking pci latency values
-checked irQs
-tweaked bios settings
-reinstall with lastest drivers
-its a bloody new computer i dont know.... im at a complete loss... i dont know but next computer is most definitely gonna be a intel based one...
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by:Irwin Santos
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YES .... INTEL ROCKS.. plus I get more hs over noobs in CS  [PINESMACK]Exhaulted_Ruler

;-)

on the serious side.....looks like I'm exhausted reading your list of things done.  Ha!

Well, I'm happy with my Intel 845G board and 2.4ghz..and I can HS with my AWP at 32 FPS with the onboard Intel graphics.
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lol~ that helped tons!! irwinpks :)
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:D
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You could try running the command below to execute and shut down tasks that would normally run during idle cycles.  It would at least allow you to diagnose the background tasks as the issue.

rundll32.exe advapi32.dll,ProcessIdleTasks

(this is stolen from the benchmarking practices at extremetech.com)
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by:Irwin Santos
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hey s4m222...how we doing with this? got that Intel board?
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well it seemed after a format and keeping it away from my sub woofer the problem is nonexistant...

hmm it wasnt answered fully but o well =)

and yea i got that intel board and a p4... lets see how this goes :)
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ha!! cool.. thank you! perhaps I'll catch you online
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