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I am interested in fingerprint readers for domain logins at a doctors office. I have about 10 PC's that are logged on to by many people throught the day ion the exam rooms. I am having trouble finding software and I admit that I do not know much about how it works yet. I have found this link http://www.biometricsdirect.com/Products/SW/SAFSOLEE.htm but is this what I need? I want a solution where I can purchace small readers by each PC and be able to have users log in to the domain. I am assuming that I would need software that runs on the network and not just on the desktop. This way I do not need to go to each PC to input each fingerprint. Can someone please point me to ideas and tell me how it all works with a domain authentication?

2003 Small Business Server.
30 workstations
30 people
Not all workstations will need the readers. only the exam rooms.

Thanks all,
Mark
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cvsadminCommented:
I have done this hundreds of times, use the keytronics keyboards they are the best (Microsoft makes one too), the only problems are this.

First: you are in a exam room situation and doctors share you wont be able to get them to log off, doctors are generally dumb and will leave the workstations locked. You will have to force them off daily or train them (next to impossible)

Second: your keytronic keyboards are parallel based in most cases and won’t allow you to connect a printer, this forces you to go USB or network printing in the entire clinic, not a problem in my opinion.

Third: the keyboard you choose must be on the software list !!!

http://www.identix.com/
I have also installed this on a domain; this integrates with AD and is very difficult to remove. I had some issues installing after a version for 2k3sbs failed.
http://www.identix.com/industries/health/
Also works with HPevos if you get the USB finger print reader.
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maderosiaAuthor Commented:
The doctor thing is exactly the issue on backwards. The doctors do not want to sigh on. Here is the problem and why I am looking for a solution that is easy for everyone.

Doctors office with 3 doctors and 2 physicians assistants and maybe 12 doctors assistants.

The doctors assistants will get the patients into the room and get logged on to the PC and pull up the x-rays or what ever else for the doctor to see. The then leaves to get the next patient ready and needs to lock the PC so that it is not open for the patient. The doctor needs to unlock the screen to see the xrays. They will not log on as them selves to pull up the xrays and don't even know there own passwords to do so. I fugured with a fingerprint solution that the assistant could log on with her finger print and I could add the docs fingerprint to the assistants account so that he can unlock her screen. This is the only solution that I can come up with that will be easy. We used to have one account that every room logged on with called exam and everyone knoew the password but we are trying to get away from that for security reasons.

Printers is not an ussue, all printers are network printers.
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cvsadminCommented:
You can’t associate 2 people with the same account, biometrics integrates with AD. I have tried 2 people’s fingers and it does NOT work.
You will have one account then biometrics is NOT the way to go. If the same assistant is the one that does all the logons you will be fine. What if that person is unavailable?
I suggest you have the doctors control there own logons.

you wont get the logoff feature to work under windows XP (at least I have never, there is also NO GPO to do so, its a mangled screensaver thingy) as for locks so that patient does not see data, the doctor must lock the workstation or set 10 second screensavers. If you set screensavers your assistant will have to logon or the doctor will have to have there own logon.

You can keep your exam account, the password doctors will only know, the ONE assistant can use there finger print.
You can’t do what you’re trying to do; the point of fingerprints is singular users as an identification method. What would be the point of having 2 people’s fingers on a single account? You have circumvented the point of biometrics at that point.

Your going down a nasty road, I have been there hundreds of times.

Your doctor’s don’t want to learn then biometrics is not a good option.
Your clinic is also small and biometrics is expensive. The largest installs i have done are 26 doctors with 65 total biometric users.
Smallest i have done is 13 doctors and 25 biometric users.
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maderosiaAuthor Commented:
Yeah, we just had a meeting and the doctor will not log on each time that he enters a room. "We are surgeons, we pay you to know computers" is the response. I am looking into smart cards. One for each room possibly. I am running out of ideas of finding an easy solution because people refuse to evolve. I am sure you can sense my frusteration.
On a side note, from what I have been reading about the fingerprints is that you can store 10 fingerprints per account. I would think that this could mean that you could store 10 different fingerprints whether it be each finger or 10 fingers from 10 different people.

Fast running out of ideas.

I will start looking into smart cards because they do not like the fingerprint idea anyway. Ever use them? Have any ideas for my dilema? You sound like you are familiar with the medical field. have you ever ran into this issue?


Thanks,
Mark
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cvsadminCommented:
Mark,

You can store 10 fingers, which mean 10 from the same person, I attempted myself and my partner during our largest install just to see what would happen, even when we gave my right hand and his left hand it would not accept it, there must be something close on each of our fingers that the software knows about and prevents you from doing just that. If you want more information call Identix, they are great to work with, even when I was beta testing some of the newer versions for them.

I have done medical for 2 years, doing various solutions including HPevos, terminal services, biometrics etc.
I totally know what your talking about doctors, it generally does not matter what city, province, state, country you are in they are all the same (brainwashed hehe) but none the less great people, just like you and me. They just have different opinions I guess.

Smart cards are ok, but you are going to run into the same but different issues for logons, and doctor training.

I did a clinic with 35 evos to a terminal server, which worked out ok; the software they use allows a single click logoff/lock of software type thing. They never actually lock down windows, we have done that via GPO and permissions. The software then asks for a username and password, the doctors are forced to input information. This has allowed us to keep the patients from doing bad stuff or looking up other patient information.
So there is a general logon based on area for printers and such via logon.bat files. The Nurses/assistants logon with the user/pass labeled on the top of the monitors, then each individual has to launch the medial application with there own username and password. This does comply with 2 factor authentication for Canadian medical but its the solution that works.

I hope this all helps you out; it’s a tough situation you are in.
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maderosiaAuthor Commented:
cvsadmin
Thank you for your input. I has helped me immensely. I will not go with the fingerprint solution. It may be a good product but it will not accomplish what I am looking to do.

Mark
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cvsadminCommented:
Mark,

Good luck with your project.

Regards,
Wally
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