Who are so many boot disk apps still unable to see NTFS?

Posted on 2006-05-10
Last Modified: 2008-01-09
I trying to learn my way around boot disks, like "Hiren's Boot Disk". Recently I've noticed how MANY of the programs on don't recognize NTFS drives.

E.g. you can't run Hiren's Scandisk on NTFS. (Instead you use Hiren's NTFS DOS Pro, then run NTFSCHK)

Likewise Hiren's Norton Disk Doctor doesn't see NTFS.

You can run HIren's NTFS Dos first, to mount the NTFS volume.  But then the "Fat32 only" progs won't work.  Ntfs DOS drive mounting seems to interfere. (e.g. Norton Disk Doctor won't run at all with an NTFS volume mounted.)

On the other hand, Hiren's Partition Magic sees NTFS fine out of the game.

What I'm wondering is -- why are so many "Fat32 only" programs still so popular? Aren't there enough boot-level programs out there compatible with both file systems, to totally replace all the "fat32 only" ones?

I really have no idea -- it just seems there would be. I may be totally missing some basic point or truth about file systems... Maybe I should expect to need a different set of tools for each file system?
Question by:dgrrr
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    Cause NTFS is "supposed" to be secure - if you could just pop in a floppy disk and bypass the ACL of all the files then it wouldnt be that secure

    Of course boot with knoppix oe win PE/Barts PE or reatogo and that bypasses NTFS just fine :)
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    NTFS did not really exist for DOS+Win3.x

    Hard disks were relatively small in those days.

    I think larger hard disks were the main catalyst for the growth in popularity of NTFS which does not have the (small) physical limits on drive partition sizes that pre NTFS systems had.

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    If disk recovery is the aim, I stick the Hard Drive in another system (WinXP Pro) and look at it like that.  Have still had problems accessing parts of Documents & Settings where user had a password that is not known.
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    I'm amazed how many WinXP installations I still come across that are on FAT32.  

    So far it seems all the Acer's Laptops I've come across have OEM Ghost recovery partitions that are expecting FAT32.  

    But you're right there are far fewer NT tools that you would expect for what really isn't "New Technology" anymore.
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    People used to make boot disks for dos, that is why. While they (we) are supposed to make them for any OS install, hardly anybody ever does for any Windows system, and a lot of aLinux users are the ssame. Nobody wants to take the time, they all want to get it up and running asap so they can use it, as if security, contingency planning, backups, etc. are going to be done, some other day, by maybe someone else.

    > Title: Who are so many boot disk apps still unable to see NTFS?

    I think the best way to put it is, that for the WinNT systems (NTFS) that in addition to the diskette, you also need a password. No password needed for dos boot. So I think I am agreeing more with PeteLong on this one.
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    quote <I think the best way to put it is, that for the WinNT systems (NTFS) that in addition to the diskette, you also need a password. No password needed for dos boot. So I think I am agreeing more with PeteLong on this one.>

    Actually, there is a Linux boot disk that will reset NTFS passwords on the local machine.  Also, you can usually take ownership of files and folders in XP if you are an admin.

    Also, there are boot disks that recognize NTFS and have anitvirus etc. (chronomium for example).

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    This can be easily explained in that DOS based systems were designed on the FAT file system while Windows NT/XP/2K are designed on the NTFS file system. NT/XP/2K will work on FAT's but DOS will not work on NTFS. The main reason for this is security, if you can recall the serious security issues with the FAT systems. FAT systems still have a good use in smaller media as well as with Linux based systems that aren't using EXT2 file systems, so I don't see them going away any time soon. A word of warning with resetting the NTFS passwords with Linux, you will loose any Encrypted File Systems (EFS) on the volume, and it will be unrecoverable.
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