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The tree or server can not found Novell 3.12

i have netware 3.12 server and i want to connect Remotely through winxp pro client i have installed windows client for netware even than i can not connect to my server.

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Zahid_Anwar@msn.com
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ShineOnCommented:
1)  Novell is a company.   There is no version 3.12 of the company.  You have NetWare 3.12, which is ancient.

2)  How are you trying to connect "remotely?"  Is it, like, across the Internet, or through dialup, or what?  

3)  "Windows client for NetWare"  - do you mean the crapware(tm) client that comes with Windows?


My guess is that you're probably running into incompatible protocol issues.

If your "remote" connection is through a TCP/IP network, it will not work, period.  NetWare 3.12 does not "talk" TCP/IP - it is IPX only.  The crapware(tm) client that comes with Windows only uses IPX, and won't even attempt to connect across a TCP/IP network.

If you're doing dialup directly to a modem connected to the NetWare server, that's different.  For that, you need the NWConnect client, which is also not easily available because it's ancient and no longer supported.
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Zahid_AnwarAuthor Commented:
Dear ShineOn

Acctually i am a new in Netware before i worked on windows servers, i have a winxp computer on which dialup is use for internet sharing and i also want to connect this computer to my Netware server so that i can do my both work i.e. i can handle this proxy and also i can do work on Netware Server.

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Zahid A
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ShineOnCommented:
Oh, and one more thing, the Novell client32, when connecting to a NetWare 3.x box, should not be looking for a tree.

If you did a "typical" install of the client, you need to uninstall it, and reinstall it "custom."  Select only IPX and select Bindery (not NDS).  Deselect all other optional components.
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Zahid_AnwarAuthor Commented:
Dear ShineOn

 thankyou very much i have done it now i can see my Netware server name and also i can map SYS drive.

i need one more favour from you , i want to connect my server remotaly through this XP client to Netware server , how i find my server ip adress and how i connect to server??

& once again thanks for cooperation.

Regards

Zahid A
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ShineOnCommented:
You  don't.    NetWare 3.12 supports TCP/IP only for FTP and Unix services, and unless you have NetWare Services for Unix installed,  you're not likely to have an IP address for that server.  That's  why you need to use IPX.

It has been many years  since I have used  NetWare 3.12, so I don't remember what commands that work on current NetWare existed on 3.12,  but you could try to enter the command  "config" at the console  prompt to see if that works - it should show you the netwrok card(s)  and what protocol(s) are bound to them.

Unless I misunderstand what  you're trying  to do.  Are you trying to use your ICS PC as a gateway into your NetWare 3.12 server?   If so, is it  for filesystem access or for remote support?
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Zahid_AnwarAuthor Commented:
Dear ShineOn

Thankyou for your reply.

As i told you i am new in Netware before i worked on Wondows Server.

if i upgrade my Netware 3.12 server to Netware 6.5 , how i do this & what are the advantages and disadvantages if i upgrade my server.

Actually i can not find useful technical help for Netware 3.12 and its also ancient, whats your suggestion ,waiting for your reply.

pls send an email on the following address

Zahid_Anwar@msn.com
elxzahid@yahoo.com

or if you can give me few mints. from youe precious time i want to chat with you.

Regards

Zahid Anwar
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ShineOnCommented:
Zahid,

It is against the E-E member agreement to provide any help directly via email; all questions must be answered in the topic areas for all to see.  I don't do consulting, either - I have a "real" job working for one company, and do this volunteer work "on the side."

That said, in order to upgrade to Netware 6.5, you'd have to:

1) Have hardware that will support NetWare 6.5.  It needs at least a Pentium II 400Mhz processor, IIRC, and 512MB RAM, and the disk partitons have to be configured differently than what the typical 3.12 system had.  Besides, as far as I know, there is no "in-place" upgrade option to go from NetWare 3.12 to NetWare 6.5.

2) Obtain upgraded licensing from Novell or a Novell reseller, sufficient to cover your users.  The licensing model changed dramatically starting with NetWare 6.0: previous versions required "per server" licensing, meaning you needed a user license for each server you needed to connect a user to.  In other words, if you had 3 servers, and 25 users, in order to allow them all to connect to all 3 servers, you needed a 25-user license for each server.  With the new licensing model, it's "per user object," meaning you can have as many servers as you want, and a single user only needs one license to connect to all of them.  So, you'd only have to upgrade 25 of those licenses, not all 75.

3) Obtain the latest overlay images of the install media (free to download as .iso images from the Novell website) which currently are NetWare 6.5 SP5, OS cd and Products cd, and burn them to CD.

4) Obtain the Server Consolidation and Migration toolkit. The Consolidation tool component of the toolkit (not the Migration Wizard) will be used to migrate your users and data from the 3.12, bindery-based server(s) to the 6.5, eDirectory-based server(s).

5) Plan your directory tree, and eDirectory naming conventions, as well as your NSS pool and volume scheme.  To do this, you need to learn something about eDirectory and NetWare 6.5.  There are self-learning tools and books available from various sources, including Novell Press.  You can also read through all of the posts in this topic-area of E-E that discuss "best practices" for good, practical advice. (search on "best practices" and restrict to this TA.)

6) Install the first NetWare 6.5 server on new (or used, but separate) hardware, configured properly as the first 6.5 server in the tree.

7) Migrate your users to the tree, and your data to the user-data volume (not the SYS volume.)

That's a brief overview.  I don't know how much more help I can give you.  Check the Novell website localized for your region (wild guess - EMEA) for training materials and other training options.

If you are fairly well-versed in modern Windows (server 2003/active directory) the concepts should be easier to grasp; if your Windows experience and knowledge are primarily in the NT4 domain world, it will be more of a radical change from what you already know.

As to the second part of the question - what are the advantages and disadvantages of doing the upgrade -

Disadvantages:  You have no expertise with NetWare or eDirectory, so there will be a training expense or learning curve of some sort.

Advantages: Too many to list them all, but here's a short list:
1) You have currently-supported NetWare, meaning you can call Novell Support and actually get help, and patches and updates will continue to be provided for the life-cycle of the product
2) You'd likely upgrade to OES, which includes NetWare services on both the NetWare kernel and the SuSE Linux Enterprise 9 kernel, which gives you a migration path to the future - Linux - along with the quality of services only NetWare can provide.
3) You get a slew of products included with the OES server, free.   This includes: the AMP suite (Apache/MySql/PHP), Virtual Office (a web-based collaboration portal), iFolder, NetStorage, iPrint/NDPS and more.  
4) You get a bunch of services included, including FTP, SFTP, SLP, SSH, PKIS with Certificate Server, DNS, DHCP, fully Open Group certified LDAP V3 directory server, a NAT router with packet filtering capability, the BASH shell on the NetWare kernel, native (clientless) Windows, *nix and Mac file/print services, 2-node server clustering, MP support up to 32 processors, iSCSI support, virtually-unlimited server licensing, auditing services, multilevel authentication services including smart-card and biometrics, and more.
5)  You get world-class, Enterprise-grade Directory Services with eDirectory, which not only is a multimaster, extensible, hierarchical directory database, but also a fully-Open Group certified LDAPv3 service, and can be used as a metadirectory for other directory and user-identity services through the use of Identity Manager.  IM "bundled edition" comes with OES, and allows full synchronization of users and groups between eDirectory and Active Directory, letting eDirectory be your identity repository and control-point.  Upgrading it to full-product IMv3 lets you add other products to the mix, making eDirectory a true Metadirectory handling all of your identity services.

That's a "short list."
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Zahid_AnwarAuthor Commented:
Dear ShineOn

Thankyou very much.you help me alot. i have download some good artical and manual from Novell but i can not down 6.5 image file bcz its size is too much big i will check some alternative way.

you help me alot i know email is against the E-E member agreement but you are the only single person who help me alot ok its up to you, i really regards you .

Thanks

Zahid A
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