Router Configuration (2 Routers)

Hi,

This is a bit long, but I'm trying to provide you with as much information as I can.

I recently went to BT Broadband. The difference between my old ISP and BT is my old ISP used a cable modem and BT uses an ADSL router.

I have the following routers:

BT Voyager 210 ADSL Router
Sitecom Wireless Broadband Router WL-106

My set up is like this:

Phoneline --- Voyager 210 --- WL-106 --- Computers (1 wired, rest are wireless)

The IP addresses are:

Voyager 210: 192.168.1.1
WL-106: 192.168.0.1
Computers: range(192.168.0.2 - 192.168.0.X) 'X would be replaced with a different number for each PC

I have internet access from all of my computers and I am able to access the configuration of both routers from any computer. So I know that the connection is working properly.

The problem I have is I want to be able to host a game for me and some friends. When I had a cable modem with my last ISP I configured a virtual server on the WL-106 router to forward the connection to my game server. Now that I have the Voyager 210 my friends are no longer able to connect to my server.

The only thing I could think of was that I need to also configure a virtual server on the Voyager 210. But I tried to do this and got nowhere as Im not sure where to forward the connection from the Voyager 210.

I tried to forward it from the Voyager 210 to the WL-106 () thinking that the WL-106 would then forward it to the game server. But it didn't seem to work. Then I tried to forward it straight from the Voyager 210 to the game server. But that didn't seem to work either.

The game server is running a firewall.
BUT I have disabled the firewall while trying to connect and still nothing...

Can anyone help?

Thanks In Advance
mms_master
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snerkelCommented:
This is probably being caused by the firewall as well, it is certainly not a router problem.
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snerkelCommented:
The easiest way will be to setup DMZ on the Voyager pointing to the WAN IP address of the WL-106

Now the tricky bit is you probably have the WAN IP of the WL-106 set using DHCP (the Voyager gives the WL-106 an IP address). To make this setup reliable you need to set a staic WAN IP address on the WL-106 that is in the subnet of the Voyager but outside the DHCP range of the Voyager.

This may sound like double-dutch but maybe this will help http://www.tech24.arce.co.uk/natnat.htm
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snerkelCommented:
Just to add with the WL-106 in the DMZ of the Voyager, you then only need to setup port forwarding on the WL-106
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mms_masterAuthor Commented:
I sort of understand what your saying.

Voyager 210 has a static IP of 192.168.1.1 and has a dhcp range of 192.168.1.2 - 192.168.1.254

WL-106 has a static IP address of 192.168.0.1 and has a range of 192.168.0.2 - 192.168.0.6

So i think that thats ok for the part where u said it must be static and outside the range of the Voyager 210. But im not understanding the subnet bit.
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snerkelCommented:
Right if the Voyager has a DHCP range of 192.168.1.2 to 192.168.1.254 then first thing you need to do is change the DHCP range to something like 192.168.1.2 to 192.168.1.150

Then set the WAN IP of the WL-106 to 192.168.1.200 with a Gateway IP address of 192.168.1.1 (to do this you need to set the WL-106 WAN port to static IP address)

The WAN IP address is the one assigned to the port that is labelled "Internet" or "WAN"


In the Voyager setup DMZ with an IP address of 192.168.1.200
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mms_masterAuthor Commented:
Ok, the new IP's are setup.
There's no DMZ options on the Voyager.
However there is an IP Routing option. Is that the same?
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snerkelCommented:
>> However there is an IP Routing option. Is that the same?

No


If you don't have DMZ then you need to forward all the ports your game requires (called port forwarding or virtual server).

The forwarding (port forwarding or virtual server) in the Voyager needs to point to the IP address 192.168.1.200 (The WAN IP of the WL-106)

The virtual server settings in the WL-106 need to point to the IP address of your PC (as it did before)
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mms_masterAuthor Commented:
Just after I posted that message I lost internet connection and also connection to the Voyager 210. I had to change the IP address of the WL-106 back to 192.168.0.1 to get the internet back...
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r_naren22atyahooCommented:
You are using 2 routers here
Voyager 210 and WL-106

It is Sufficient to use the Voyager Router,
do the portforward using this site
http://www.portforward.com/english/routers/port_forwarding/Draytek/Vigor2200E/HTTP.htm

remove the WL-106 from the network,
now try to publish your game using the Voyger,
may be you need to change the LAN address range on the Voyger router so that it will be similar to WL-106 LAN address.

regards
Naren
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mms_masterAuthor Commented:
I have problems when I use the IP address u told me (192.168.1.200 for WL-106).
But I was looking on at the link you gave me (http://www.tech24.arce.co.uk/natnat.htm) and it shows that the addreses of the 2 different routers are: 192.168.10.100 and 192.168.20.100 so won't 192.168.0.1 for the WL-106 and 192.168.1.1 work for the Voyager 210?

Also what would I point the DMZ to? 192.168.0.1? or 192.168.1.2? or something else?
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andree-ochoaCommented:
It is basic configuration here.

heres what you need to do.

If you want use ip as i show you it will be th best

    (ADSLModem"Router")           ---->   (yourROUTER)                                                           ---->  (DMZ Server "Game Server")
    IP= 192.168.1.254                           WAN IP= 192.168.1.253   -  LAN IP= 192.168.0.252                  IP= 192.168.0.200
    Net mask= 255.255.255.0                Net mask= 255.255.255.0 -  Net Mask= 255.255.255.0              Net mask= 255.255.255.0
                                                         Gateway= 192.168.1.254                                                        Gateway= 192.168.0.252
    DMZ = 192.168.1.253                                                             - DMZ = 192.168.0.200

                                                                                                                                           ----->  (other network PC's)
                                                                                                                                                       IP= 192.168.0.X
                                                                                                                                                       Net mask= 255.255.255.0
                                                                                                                                                       Gateway= 192.168.0.252.


I hope You understand the diagram.

Or use this diagram this is without your router.

    (ADSLModem"Router")           ---->    (NETWORK SWITCH)    ---->   (DMZ Server "Game Server")
    IP= 192.168.1.254                                                                          IP= 192.168.1.253
    Net mask= 255.255.255.0                                                                Net mask= 255.255.255.0
                                                                                                         Gateway= 192.168.1.254
    DMZ = 192.168.1.253

                                                                                              ----->  (other network PC's)
                                                                                                          IP= 192.168.1.X
                                                                                                          Net mask= 255.255.255.0
                                                                                                          Gateway= 192.168.1.254


You can also use this one.
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snerkelCommented:
>>I have problems when I use the IP address u told me (192.168.1.200 for WL-106).
>>But I was looking on at the link you gave me (http://www.tech24.arce.co.uk/natnat.htm) and it shows that the >>addreses of the 2 different routers are: 192.168.10.100 and 192.168.20.100 so won't 192.168.0.1 for the WL-106 >>and 192.168.1.1 work for the Voyager 210?

>>Also what would I point the DMZ to? 192.168.0.1? or 192.168.1.2? or something else?

You are confusing the WAN and the LAN IP address of the router. The WL-106 LAN IP address will remain unchanged (192.168.0.1) it is the WAN (maybe called Internet on your router) IP address that needs setting at for example 192.168.1.200

The only reason we are setting a fixed WAN IP address is so that we can then setup port forwarding or DMZ. As you had it all setup originally the WAN port of the WL-106 automatically got an IP address of 192.168.1.x from the Voyager. Unfortunately with this setup the WAN IP of the WL-106 can change (eg one day it is 192.168.1.5, next day it is 192.168.1.76) if it changes you would then need to alter port forwarding in the Voyager.

Another way to do the setup is like this http://www.tech24.arce.co.uk/rap.htm this time you are converting the wireless router into a wireless access point.


Please read this description of WAN http://www.tech24.arce.co.uk/wan.htm this will hopefully remove any confusion.


If you have DMZ in the Voyager then it would point to the WAN IP address of the WL-106. If you don't have DMZ in the Voyager then you need to forward the ports for your game to the WL-106, then the WL-106 needs to forward the ports to your PC (as the WL-106 was setup originally). If the Voyager does not have DMZ then forget about DMZ.




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snerkelCommented:
ps if you need to fill in the subnet mask for any of these settings it will be 255.255.255.0
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mms_masterAuthor Commented:
I don't know how to change the WAN address.
I've had a look but can't figure out how to do it.

There is a link to the manual for my WL-106 below, you've probably got more of an idea of what your looking for.
http://www.sitecom.com/showdownload.php?id=956

I changed one address but it set the DNS address as 192.168.1.200 and the Internet address still said 192.168.1.2
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r_naren22atyahooCommented:
mms_master
why dont you just use the draytek, its doingg all the job rite???

if the other one is for wireless, just use that in the bridge mode
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mms_masterAuthor Commented:
The draytek site is showing how to use port forwarding with one router.
I need to keep both of my routers...

I don't know how to set up a bridge...
And DMZ is as far as I know meant for using 2 routers.

I will try to get the DMZ thing working first but need help changing the WAN address of the WL-106.
If that fails I will try to make a bridge, but will also need help doing that.
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snerkelCommented:
Page 19 select other login method none

Specified IP address is 192.168.1.200

DNS is 192.168.1.200


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snerkelCommented:
*** Correction ***


Page 19 select other login method none

Specified IP address is 192.168.1.200

DNS is 192.168.1.1
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snerkelCommented:
Alternative method (which may be easier as the WL-160 does not look easy to setup)

as per http://www.tech24.arce.co.uk/rap.htm

To setup the WL-160 page 36 (LAN screen) turn off the DHCP server by unticking the box and set the IP address to 192.168.1.200 (eg change it from 192.168.0.1)

Connect an Ethernet cable from a LAN port on the Voyager to a LAN port on the WL-160


On the Voyager change the DHCP range to go from 192.168.1.2 to 192.168.1.150


Setup any port forwarding on the Voyager only.


If you need to change any settings on the WL-160 you can access it by uisng http://192.168.1.200


Note you would never connect anything to the WAN port on the WL-160 with this setup
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snerkelCommented:
>>mms_master
>>why dont you just use the draytek, its doingg all the job rite???

>>if the other one is for wireless, just use that in the bridge mode

r_naran22atyahoo their is no draytek in this setup, if you mean the Voyager then the reason to use the WL-160 is wireless and print server built-in plus the voyager only has one LAN port
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r_naren22atyahooCommented:
This was my idea of setup

                                                                                (Computer, this will get the DHCP address from the VOyger)
                                                      (Other LAN Port)   |
                                                                                 |    
Internet------- Voyager(Draytek)-----------------------------(WL-160)-----------------(WAN Port, Leave it empty)
                                     (LAN, DHCP Enable)          ( LAN Port, DHCP Disable)
                                                                                  :
                                                                                  :
                                                                               Wireless Laptop(this will also get the DHCP address from the Voyger)


This way every thing will be in one Network Segment i.e. the draytek LAN segment

and all the port forwarding will be done by the voyger

regards
Naren
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snerkelCommented:
This is the alternative setup suggested earlier and covered in this link http://www.tech24.arce.co.uk/rap.htm
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mms_masterAuthor Commented:
I changed the WAN IP of the WL-106 to 192.168.1.200 and set up DMZ on the Voyager 210.
MSN messenger was able to sign in but Internet Explorer couldn't load any pages...
Not sure why.

I would prefer it if there was a way to solve that problem rather than using the second method you said. If its not possible though, I am willing to try the second method.
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r_naren22atyahooCommented:
dns servers!!!
what is the dns server address clints getting??
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mms_masterAuthor Commented:
Ok I've got the internet working now with this setup:

WL-106-
WAN IP: 192.168.1.200
DNS IP: 192.168.1.1
Virtual Server: 192.168.0.X

Voyager-
DMZ: 192.168.1.200
DHCP Range: 192.168.1.2 to 192.168.1.150

But my friends still can't connect to my game server...
I've also setup a virtual server for a TeamSpeak server and they can't connect to that either...
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snerkelCommented:
Right so you have DMZ on the Voyager pointing to 192.168.1.200


If DMZ is set correctly then you need to ensure port forwarding on the WL-106 is pointing to the IP address of your PC
(just like you had it setup when it worked with the WL-106 connected directly to the Internet.

If it still doesn't work unplug both routers from the mains for a minute, then try again.
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mms_masterAuthor Commented:
My firewall was blocking it. They seem to be able to connect now.
Ill test it properly later.
I have another problem now though.
I used to use \\computer_name\ to connect to a network computers shared files.
When I try this now it says that it cannot find the computer.

I also just noticed that if I go to My Network Places > View network computers it says that the workgroup isnt available.
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