[Okta Webinar] Learn how to a build a cloud-first strategyRegister Now

x
  • Status: Solved
  • Priority: Medium
  • Security: Public
  • Views: 324
  • Last Modified:

I need help in picking a new video card.... please help.



I had an ATI Radeon 9800 PRO with 256MB Ram.  The card was NICE.  IT did very well.  Upon reading reports I heard the cooling fan was an hunk of junk.  For the first 3 months, the thing did fine.  But as I turned on the pc the FAN would make noise and sound like it was about to pass away.

Sorry to say, I followed reports at Newegg.com and bought  this http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16835186110
cooling fan system.  IT Was VERY silent as it said it would be and did a great job,... for the first week.
For what ever reason the damn fan stopped and i NEVER got any kind of warning.  I was in the middle of group in World of Warcraft and POOF black screen.   I could not get the thing to come back up.

I yanked an OLD nVIDIA 5600 from my old pc and popped it into the AGP slot of my computer and it came back up.  So I know it is the card.... and no matter waht I do on that dead ATI card, I cannot get it to work OR the fan on the cooling system to come backon.

Im out $300 =(  

A.) I doubt Artic Cooling will replace the card even though in my mind THEY fried it.
B.) I doubt ATI will replace the card because I removed the failing stock fan and put on an 3rd party fan.

SO.... even though I feel screwed I need to buy a new card.

MY COMPUTER IS OUT DATED!!!!!!
Please don’t tell me to "buy a new computer" I know I need an upgrade and I just don’t have the money for it.  Suggestions to replace the whole system will be ignored.  (sorry but I asked this in WoW forum and I got treated like an ass because of my sub par system)

What I have:
MSI K7n2 Delta L  Mother board with AMD XP CPU 1.8Ghz
1 sticks (1 gig each) set to dual channel 400Mhz    (2gigs total ram)
IDE 80 Gig 7200RPM WD HD.

My budget is $300

I have never used PCIexpress cards.
My board has a new slot called ACR (Advanced Communication Riser)  Is this the PCIe port?  It looks like PCI slot but backwards.

Should I get an PCIe card if so?
Should I stay with 8xAGP?

What card should I get.  I would like something == or > my 9800 Pro.

I plan on replacing the computer around Feb March of 2007 to get more power then.  I was thinking of getting a good card now (even though my CPU would be the bottle neck) and then use that card when I build my new pc.

I need a card that does well with World of Warcraft, EverQuest, EverQuestII, and Counter Strike Source.

Please provide recommendations and links.
0
mrchaos101
Asked:
mrchaos101
  • 7
  • 6
  • 3
2 Solutions
 
CallandorCommented:
ACR slots were early experiments in putting a dedicated communication slot on the motherboard, similar to a CNR slot for modems.  These have all disappeared as failures, so I guess whatever motherboard you are getting is  older than a P4 vintage, since onboard modems have replaced these experimental designs.

For $300, you can get a very advanced video card, but you will be constrained by your cpu, so it will not be running at its fullest potential.  The nVidia 6600GT is a step above the Radeon 9800 Pro and is very cheap these days, but the nVidia 7800GS is probably the fastest AGP card around.  PCI-e is the wave of the future and you can take your pick from the comparisons here: http://www.tomshardware.com/2005/12/02/vga_charts_viii/
0
 
mrchaos101Author Commented:

Well, I guess I dont have an PCIe slot then.... unless the card will fit and work in a standard pci slot?
0
 
CallandorCommented:
Nope, PCI-e and PCI are not interchangeable.  If your strategy is buy a card now and keep using it when you get a new motherboard, it will have to be an AGP card.  However, motherboards are not that expensive, and you have a nice-sized budget for a video card.  Since the video card is improving all the time, why not do the upgrade now and get a PCI-e nVidia 6600GT so that you get the same performance?  You may need new RAM and a new power supply to go with the new motherboard, but you can probably get a video card, motherboard, RAM and power supply for $300.
0
What does it mean to be "Always On"?

Is your cloud always on? With an Always On cloud you won't have to worry about downtime for maintenance or software application code updates, ensuring that your bottom line isn't affected.

 
mrchaos101Author Commented:
I have a GOOD PSU,  That I didn't go cheap on.  It is an Enermax EG365P and is at 350W, it has
+12V   26A
+5V     2.2A
+3V    32A

I was told teh 26A on the 12v rail was nice.

I was thinking about your last post....

I was looking at this:

http://www.partspc.com/ProductDetails.asp?CatID=71&ProdID=17501
it is an K8N Diamond Mobo  ( I love MSI)

CPU is still 1.8Ghz BUT It can be upgraded when I have extra cash.

I thought maybe that board with teh PCIe nVIDIA 6600GT  (seems you say it is a step up from 9800)
BUT,  RAM.  Will my  two 1 gig sticks of DDR 400Mhz  Work on this baord??
0
 
garycaseCommented:
I WOULD agree with Callandor's suggestion about getting a new motherboard with PCI-e ... EXCEPT finding one that will accept your current CPU AND has a PCI-e slot may not be possible.   So ... that option will require you to buy both a motherboard and a CPU in addition to the video card -- quite possibly a budget breaker here.

... IF your budget allows it, that IS a good option ==> but based on your stated $300 budget and your comments that "... I just don’t have the money for it."  and "... Suggestions to replace the whole system will be ignored ..."  I don't think that's what you want to do here.

... SO ... I'd suggest you buy this:  http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814102609   It will run circles around your 9800 Pro (read the reviews -- many are from WoW players), and costs just over half of your budgeted amount; which will let you save some $$ for next year's upgrade.   ... and by next year you'll be able to get even better PCIe cards.
0
 
garycaseCommented:
... Looks like your budget may have increased a bit :-)

Yes, your DDR 400 memory will work on the K8N Diamond Plus.   Here's the details on the board:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16813130037
0
 
mrchaos101Author Commented:
Well no,

But Im thinking if I can squeez another few $$ if it is worht it...or should i just by a card to work with what I got for now....
0
 
mrchaos101Author Commented:


Well reson I posted the "suggestions would be ignored" was because

they would post  


"replace your comptuer"  and that was it.  Not much help, and I wanted to avoid it...but this is differnt...seems I am getting help here =)
0
 
mrchaos101Author Commented:
Garycase,

That is a nice card and VERY cheap.....  finding that that far under my original budge is a gem.

I think I will do that and save the mone for a new K9N board down the road.......think that is best to do.

Thanks big time!!
0
 
garycaseCommented:
Read the reviews of the card I linked to above -- I think you'll find it's an excellent card and a great upgrade from a 9800 Pro.   Considering that video cards drop quite a bit in price as newer ones are released, I think you'll be able to get an even better upgrade next year -- probably the same performance level as today's $300 cards for about half that; or even higher performance for more.   And if you buy a new motherboard/CPU then you'll be able to get a dual-core CPU and an even higher-performing PCIe x16 video card.

... your call of course ==> but I'd suggest you follow your initial instincts and just buy a good AGP card for now.   Note that if you want to spend even less you can get a nice GEForce 6600 for about $100:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814130232
0
 
garycaseCommented:
You're most welcome -- looks like you were doing exactly what I just suggested (reading the reviews) while I was writing my last post :-)
0
 
mrchaos101Author Commented:


ERRR....

Having 2nd thougths now... I do have an BRAND NEW  SATA 40Gig WD that I have never been able to use.... I could use it as the OS drive if I upgraded.....

If you dont mind..

can you tell me what you think of the

PCIe  nVidia 6600GT

vs

AGP Geforce 6600 256-A8-N340-TX

What would be better in performacne.  There is about a $80 diff between the 2 cards?
0
 
CallandorCommented:
The GT version of the 6600, which I have, is better than the non-GT version.  It can be overclocked to boost performance more if desired.
0
 
garycaseCommented:
I wouldn't change your mind just to use a 40GB SATA drive.   If you want to use the drive, just buy an inexpensive ($15) add-in SATA controller.

There are many different implementations of video cards using the GeForce 6600 chipset.   The performance depends on many things -- clock speed of the GPU, type and clock of the graphics memory, etc.  To compare the cards you're thinking of I'd need the exact make/model.   The PCIe bus has a higher bandwidth than an AGP slot, so the PCIe card is probably better -- but that higher bandwidth is only useful if the card is capable of using it.

As I noted earlier, however, given that you'll be "pushing" your budget to do a full upgrade at this point, I'd recommend just buying a good AGP card (either the one I linked to before or a somewhat-less-expensive GeForce 6600) and doing a complete system upgrade next year as you had originally planned.
0
 
mrchaos101Author Commented:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814150130

that is the card I ordered.

I looked at a lot of the reviews on it.
0
 
garycaseCommented:
... that's a PCI Express x16 card => it won't work in your AGP slot :-)

Here's an AGP version of the same card (I hope this is what you actually ordered):
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814150157
0

Featured Post

NFR key for Veeam Backup for Microsoft Office 365

Veeam is happy to provide a free NFR license (for 1 year, up to 10 users). This license allows for the non‑production use of Veeam Backup for Microsoft Office 365 in your home lab without any feature limitations.

  • 7
  • 6
  • 3
Tackle projects and never again get stuck behind a technical roadblock.
Join Now