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AD computers vs. SBS computers

OK this maybe as stupid question but I have to ask.

This has happened before but now I really need it to show up in my SBS computers.  But it seems like every other computer that I join to our domain goes in to the Computer OU of AD.  But if you have an SBS domain there is also an OU called My business with sub OU's of Computers then SBSComputers.  My problem is that when I go to push out my AntiVirus software to new computers it looks through AD for the computers but only looks at the SBS computers OU.  Also, when I go to explorer and browse the network places only the computers in the SBS OU shows up.  

How can I move or make the SBS OU the default for new PC's or old PC's that join the Domain without messing anything up? (if that is possible) :)
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Goofdru
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Lee W, MVPTechnology and Business Process AdvisorCommented:
You don't have to - if you connect the computers to the domain the way they are meant to be connected with SBS.  If you are joining the computers without using the ConnectComputer web site on the SBS server, you have this problem.  With anything you do on an SBS server, USE THE WIZARDS.  It's annoying at times, but that's how SBS wants to be managed.

As for the existing systems, just drag them into the appropriate OU like the were files in Explorer and the OUs were folders.
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GoofdruAuthor Commented:
OK, I have never done that before and it seems as though if the PC is a new build it joins the domain with no problem.  But like for this instance, I have a PC that has been out in the field and hasn't been back to the office since SBS was implemented, in which I wasn't envolved with the implementation of SBS and this is my first experience with SBS.  So some of the computers were probably left over from the previous domain, which was an NT 4.0 domain I believe.

Well I dragged the ones into the SBS My Computer OU but I can't connect to the PC in question.  For instance, right clicking on the computer and choosing manage.  However, I connect to some of the PC's that i moved over but not all.  In which some may have been invaild computers anyway and I am cleaning those up now.  Is it just that it needs time to replicate in AD or why are they not showing up when I browse the network?  
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Lee W, MVPTechnology and Business Process AdvisorCommented:
Have you rebooted the workstations?  

SBS needs to be managed through the wizards - if you know anything about managing NON-SBS servers, FORGET IT.  Get a book on SBS and use the wizards.  It's annoying, but you can avoid SO MANY PROBLEMS by using the wizards and NOT past skills with server management.

If you can, get yourself another system and install SBS a few times to learn it.  Get a subscription to Microsoft TechNet Plus - it's a GREAT price - $500 - gives you two calls to Microsoft (worth $490) plus 20% off additional calls.  AND they give you TONS of software, including Small Business Server - you can't use them in production, but the are NOT time limited and you can learn and play with them.
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dhoustonieCommented:
Be very careful if this is your first time using SBS, it needs to be configured by Wizards because of all the different parts being on one machine.
If you want to connect a computer to the use the command http://SBSServerName/Connectcomputer in IE, this uses the wizard and assigns the computer to the right OU with all the right permissions.

If you want to learn more about SBS and you see yourself supporting it more in the future, I recommend buying either Harry Brelsford's books at http://www.smbnation.com or Eriq Neale's Small Business Server 2003 Unleashed by SAMs.
Another possibility is to join a local SBS User Group a list of which are available on www.sbsgroups.com

How did you migrate from the NT domain to the new server?

David Houston
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GoofdruAuthor Commented:
That is funny, I have been told that before but for as limited as SBS features get used here I didn't think much into it.  Now that I am trying to get the Sharepoint services working and all that stuff I am begining to find out.  Also when I first came here the temporary computer guy was like, "Don't use the wizards because they just cause more problems than they solve".

Yes I have rebooted and I still cannot connect.  Also when I try to got to \\SERVER\ConnnectComputer, website cannot be found.
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Lee W, MVPTechnology and Business Process AdvisorCommented:
I could have been the guy to tell you not to use the wizards - about a year ago.  I hate them.  BUT, I've come to the conclusion that if you use them, SBS works VERY well.  If you don't... well... you have the problems you have now.  A statement like that only illustrates that particular consultants lack of experience with SBS.
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dhoustonieCommented:
it is http://server/connectcomputer it is web based not a unc.

The myth of not using SBS wizards is generally recommended by those are hobbiest or Enterprise IT workers that are use to having 5 servers doing the functions that are part of the one sbs server. And in general it comes down to lack of familiarity with the produt on their part.

If you are new to SBS then I do recommend Harry's books to get you up to speed on SBS, he himself os a Microsoft Most Valued Professional (MVP) and some of his books are also co-written with other SBS MVPs

Is IIS installed on the server? If not that could be the problem or someone has been messing around with the IIS structure and you may need to run through the complete check list and wizards to get the server working properly.

If you goto http://companyweb do you get the same error.

could you also post up an ipconfig for the server and workstation as the previous consultant may not have set the network infastructure up correctly.


David Houston
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GoofdruAuthor Commented:
I have gotten to the ConnectComputer site.  I was just using the UNC and not the http.  So here is where I am at now.

I have disjoined the PC from the domain, connected to the wizard site, and started the wizard.  I did however have to go to the server and create a computer so it would show up in the list.  Once I did that and restarted the wizard I was able to go through it.  The workstation is rebooting for the last time now and looks to be ok, well except I still can't manage it from the server.  Still says the network path doesn't exist.  In which I don't think it has anything to do with the network set up because I have been here for almost a year and the network infastructure seems to be fine.  That was one of the things I first took a hard look at.

David, I would have to say that I am one of them Enterprise IT dudes.  However, I also realized that not all things work as they are supposed to even in a small enviroment.

I am young at this so I do have a lot to learn, I am looking at Harry's book on the internet and does look like a good investment.

So now comes the question for both of you, the ones that I dragged and dropped in to the My Computers OU, I can connect to some of them but not all.........Since one of them is the Presidents laptop I really need to know this, Will there be any affects from me moving the computer into that OU down the road?  It is one of the ones that I can connect to so I am not to worried about it but in the back of my mind if he has something that isn't working this will be the first thing I look at?
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dhoustonieCommented:
To get the most out of SBS and the computers connected to it, all computers should go through the connectcomputer wizard as it effects them in other ways such as assigning software and other functions. Your best bet for a care free time or as problem free as possible, but it would take time. If you can not do this now then leave it till they have a problem and then connect them properly.

With regards the networking, sometimes DHCP is left on on routers or the DHCP settings are changed from the default which could have explained the Can not connect error.

I would recommend either going with the technet subscription or the direct access pack which offer just the software to a registered Microsoft Partner. When you get familiar with SBS, I would look at the 70-282 mcp exam by Microsoft and aim at getting yourself qualified as a Microsoft Small Business Specialist.


David
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GoofdruAuthor Commented:
Thanks for you help fellas.  The MCP is next.
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