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I just scanned in a picture with Photoshop CS2 twain. The scanner was set to no color management. Saved in Photoshop CS2 as psd and ICC Profile Adobe RGB (1998).
When I try to print , the colors are wrong compared to what I see on the monitor, but when I go to assign profile and change from working space Adobe RGB(1998) to sRGB IEC61966-2.1 (that was already there), I get an exact match. I would like to avoid this problem.
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by:David Brugge
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If I understand your workflow correctly, you are importing a scanned image into Photoshop with color management turned off (set to no color management) in the scanning software.

Then in Photoshop you are assigning the Adobe RGB profile.

When printing, the printed colors are not what is showing on the monitor.

Then, when you change (are you converting or assigning?) the sRGB profile, your prints match your monitor.

If you have found a way to get your prints and monitor to match, you are already ahead of 95% of the photo printing public.

Help me to understand what it is that you are trying to avoid?
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by:nvslater
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My situation has changed. I called adobe and they changed 2 settings in 'print with preview' and now all new imported images that are printed match the monitor. However, I am not sure how big my problem is going to be, with the 3800 pictures I already have done.
  In the above question, I said that I could get a match, but that was only a look-a-like, I would make a copy of the picture to play with and work until they matched, (tha's the part I would like to avoid) by assigning different profiles. Until I could print without changing anything. Some times took a very long time.
  Now I dont know witch pictures will print correctly and witch won't. Some have different embedded profiles.I have several programs that I am trying, hoping they will show me what the picture will look like before printing.
  I am open to sugestions as to how to deal with the pictures I can't print
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by:nvslater
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I don't understand why it took so long for me to get your mail. My phone number is 941-474-3625, or I can call you, I can talk better than type.
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by:David Brugge
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Hi NV,

Experts Exchange doesn't like for us to conduct help sessions over the phone, because others who might have the same problem miss out on the solution.

I wasn't even paying attention to your name when I wrote the above. I assume that this is a continuation of your previous problems with color management. ( http://www.experts-exchange.com/Web/Graphics/Photoshop/Q_21872101.html )

So where do things stand now with your profiles? Were you ever able to get a printer profile that would give you a reliable print? If so, are you using the View/Proof Setup/Custom to assign your printer profile to your proof? Are you using the View/Proof Colors to preview your image before you print it?
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by:nvslater
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I tried allot of things, I even thought about paying $1500 a day,plus expenses, for a color management consultant. So I gave adobe a chance to help me, even if it cost $50. They did help and didnt charge anything.
  Now the scanner has no color management. Print with preview has Color Management selected; Print has a dot in Document and (Profile: Adobe RGB (1998)) is entered; Options has Let Photoshop Determine Colors and Printer Profile; has the profile I made with monaco ez color, in the second box and relative Colorimetric in the third box.  Black Point Compenssation has a check. Lastly turned off color management for the printer.
   Using the same scanner-Monitor-Printer profiles. I am sure that I had these same settings, at some point. But maybe I didnt have all of them at once.
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by:nvslater
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So now color management works, for new imported pictures. But there are problems with some of the pictures I already saved.
   My thoughts are to find a way to know if the old picture is going to print correctly, before it is printed. And then try to repair the profile or make a new picture. As always, I am open to suggestions.
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by:David Brugge
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These are answers for your printing setup. They all look good.

My question is about your viewing setup. Are you going to View / Proof Setup / Custom... and selecting the profile that you made with EZ Color? Or is it still set to the default "Working RGB"? It should be your printer profile.

And are you then selecting View / Proof Colors? If your monitor is profiled correctly, and if your profile is built correctly, this should give you a pretty good idea of how the image will print.

To be more accurate, you should be viewing the print under the same temperature (color scale) light source as you set up your monitor. For instance, if you set your monitor color to 5200 degrees, you should be viewing your prints under a 5200 degree light source, otherwise, the colors will look shifted.

As far as profiles go, that should not affect the printing. If you have your viewing setup the way I described, you can load a picture with any profile and see how it will print.

Ideally,  you want to look at an image, see if it is ready to print, or see if you need to tweek it a bit, but be able to depend that what you are seeing on the screen is what you will get from the printer.
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by:nvslater
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Since I talked to adobe , I have been using their settings. I remember trying you system. Sorry, but I can't remember how many pictures it worked on. Or if I was able to print the right color. (I have been through HELL). I will need some time to try your system again. If I can get this to work, it will be great.
 How can I find my monitor color setting? And would I use adobe settings to print? The picture may need more than a Tweek. The color difference can be described by the difference in how a image would look with adobe RGB compared to sRGB.
 Futher it would be nice to save the image, so that the next time it was opened, it could print normally.
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David Brugge earned 500 total points
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I don't know what to say.

I don't know what Adobe told you, or what settings they had you change.

These are not MY settings, this is how Adobe Photoshop works. If you hire a color consultant, he will tell you the same thing.

From the very beginning, you were complaining about what you were seeing on the screen is not what was printing.

I have been trying to give you instructions as to how to get your monitor and your printed output to agree.

I want you to see the colors the same way that your printer does, so that you will know what to change and how much.

Right now, it doesn’t sound like you can see what will be printed. Don’t waste any more time fooling around with the profiles until you can see what you are doing. If your print looks too magenta and you add a little blue, but the print comes out too yellow, what have you accomplished?

What you want is when your image looks too magenta, you know that it will print too magenta, and if you add a little blue, the print will come out with a little more blue also.

Go back to working on your proof preview. Call Adobe or Monaco if you have to and get them to explain it to you.

Only THEN can you load an image (no matter what the profile) and know how it will print. And it is ONLY when you know how it will print, will you know how to make any changes to the image to get the look that you want..
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After I get the printed image that I want. How can I save it, so that I dont have any color problem with it, if I need to print it again?
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by:David Brugge
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Under Edit / Color Settings, you should your Color Management Policies should be set to "Preserve Embedded Profiles." That way, the colors don't get converted until you have a chance to look at them.

After the image is printing the way that you want, save it. That's it. Not having any problems with it the next time is dependent on you repeating the same steps to print it exactly as you did the first time.

For an excellent article on Color Policies and color management in general, go here: http://www.creativepro.com/story/feature/14331-1.html
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by:nvslater
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I will read your link. And make notes of all you said. Thank you ever so much for your help.
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by:David Brugge
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Hope that it helps. If I ever get down to that part of Florida, I will stop by to see your prints.
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by:nvslater
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Really, where are located? Sure would be happy to see somebody that can appreciate what we go through. I have alot of equipment. Maybe $10,000. Do you want to know what equipment I have?
  If you need a place to stay, we have room. Really please come see me.
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EE doesn't like us to get off topic. Go to my profile and send me an email.
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