How to set the time on Netware 4.11?

Our server has the wrong time. It is giving out the wrong time to all the clients on our network. How do I change the time in Netware 4.11?
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xy8088Asked:
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PsiCopCommented:
Wow....NetWare v4.11. That's ancient. It was EOLed about 7 YEARS ago. Current version of NetWare is v6.5, and the successor product, Open Enterprise Server, allows you to run the the same services, plus news ones, atop your *choice* of either a Linux or a NetWare kernel. Check it out --> http://www.novell.com/oes

Novell maintains an extensive support website at --> http://support.novell.com

Despite the fact the NetWare v4.x has long been EOLed, they maintain documentation, TIDs patches and everything else on that site. They don't pull down their support materials to try to force you to upgrade (try getting patches for NT v3.51 and see how far you get). The NetWare v4.11 documentation is at --> http://www.novell.com/documentation/nw4/docui/index.html

To change the time on a NetWare server, use the SET TIME command, like so:

SET TIME 9/12/2006 10:00:00 am

However, this is NetWare v4.x, and you have NDS and Time Synchronization to consider, especially if you have a multi-server NDS Tree. You haven't said if you do, so if you do, you need to change the time on the Tree's Primary Time Server and let it propogate to the others.

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xy8088Author Commented:
Trust me. If it was my choice, we'd scrap this Netware server and replace it with a Linux box running SAMBA, today. The only things that it is used for is file sharing for a few dozen people and running Groupwise for a few dozen. I am trying to move them off Groupwise now. Once that is completed it is good-bye Netware 4.11!! Moving to a newer version of Netware (or Windows even) is not an option because they have given me $0.00 to spend.

Anyways thanks for the answer! I will try it out later at work today and then assign points.

We only have two servers running Netware. One running 4.11 and another running 5.? with Border Manager.

ShineOnCommented:
One of the two should be the time server - one should be set as a "SINGLE REFERENCE" and the other as a "SECONDARY."

You can find out which is which by looking at MONITOR.NLM, in the server parameters screens, where the time-related settings are.  I don't know if it's called the same thing on 4.11 as it is on 5.x (it's been YEARS since I've touched 4.11!) but on 5.x it's called "Time."

In the "Time" screens, there should be a "TIMESYNC Type" entry.  If it's "SINGLE" then it's a "SINGLE REFERENCE" time source, if it's "SECONDARY" it's the secondary time source.

If they are both in the same NDS tree, and their time isn't in sync, you could end up with corruption in your NDS, unless the BorderManager server has no replicas.  That's sometimes the case, but for certain things access to at least a read-only replica is required, either directly or by configured reference, for BorderManager to function properly, so if there is a read/write or master replica on the BM server, and they're in the same tree, timesync is important.

Assuming you had more NetWare servers before, you HAVE been removing them properly from the tree, correct?
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PsiCopCommented:
As I mentioned in your other Question...

Want to move to Linux? No problem...Novell's been porting their file & print services to Linux for the past 2 years - it's called Open Enterprise Server (OES). You can provide eDirectory, GroupWise, file sharing, networked printing, application distribution, etc. all atop a Linux kernel. No NetWare needed (that is, you have a *choice* of platforms, and can even mix them). http://www.novell.com/oes

OES, and *modern* NetWare (i.e. not v4.x), both have a feature called Native File Access Protocols (NFAP). Using NFAP, you can make the OES (or modern NetWare) server look like a CIFS server for Windoze clients (think of NFAP-CIFS as "SAMBA for Novell's networking services"), an AFP server to Macs, and an NFS server to *NIX clients. Or you can run the native Novell Client for Linux or Client 32 for Windoze. Again, *choices* - something you'll never get from Redmond's  dubious warez.

If GroupWise has too many features that your users don't use, consider NetMail --> http://www.novell.com/netmail
It's a stripped down mail/calendar package with a more basic feature-set.

Modern Novell products are licensed per-user, not per-server (almost without exception). So if you have 500 users, you may for 50 users, and if you deploy on 2 servers or 10, the licensing cost is the same. Windoze and many commercial Linux distros will slap you with a charge for each physical server. Similarly, modern OES (and NetWare), as well as GroupWise, are cluster-enabled out-of-the-box. That's extra charges for Windoze and most commercial Linux distros (if the latter even have viable clustering support).
PsiCopCommented:
Back to the time question...

BEFORE you go fiddling with the time, you need to figure out which server is the time server. Adjust the time on that server.
ShineOnCommented:
Also, if you must go away from NetWare-type services altogether, and are moving to Linux, you should go with an Enterprise-class distro and not a Fedora **ore.  

Novell SuSE Linux Enterprise 10 is actually quite good, and has the world-class support team at Novell behind it, and at about $250 per server for 1 year support (x86/amd64 & Intel EM64T, max 32 CPU version) it's not a bad deal.  If you don't want support, as with other Linux distros, it's GNU-licensed - you just won't have easy access to timely updates.  You can even download a DVD ISO of SLES10 from Novell.  The "trial" version is the same as the shipping version, except support ends after whatever it is (90 days I think) and you'd have to subscribe to support to renew it and keep automatic fixes and patches flowing.

Having zero budget rarely translates to actual zero dollars.  250 bux may not be out of your ballpark, while whatever the upgrade per-user-license may be.  

The OES "workgroup edition," which comes with NetWare/OES and Linux/OES, GroupWise 7 and ZENworks 7 suite, SLED10, and OOo2 for Linux and Windows (with support) may be an alternative, if you take a realistic look at how licensing works nowadays (as PsiCop mentioned) since upgrade pricing from prior products is pretty not-bad, maybe $100/user, and you get a TON of products to make your life, and your users' lives, better.
xy8088Author Commented:
>> Having zero budget rarely translates to actual zero dollars.  250 bux may not be out of your ballpark, while whatever the upgrade per-user-license may be.  

But that is really not needed. Right now the network is incredibly simplistic. A single Linux box to share files for some people is all that is needed. Next summer we should have the money for new workstations, server, etc plus I'll have the time to set everything up.

Right now I do not have the time or money to do that. I just need to get everything set up so that I can manage it. As it is right now I cannot manage it. It is a big kludged together mess and I really need to tear it down to the essential bare bones.
xy8088Author Commented:
>> Right now the network is incredibly simplistic

>> It is a big kludged together mess

I kinda contradicted myself there so let me explain better. The functions that the network performs are extremely simplistic. But the way that it is set up is totally kludged together, with duct tape (sometimes literally), poorly written scripts and years of different IT people and non-IT people who all had full admin access and different ideas as to how things should be done. It is a mess and it doesn't need to be. So I am trying to clean it up.
PsiCopCommented:
Having cleaned up a number of networks where my predecessor(s) had been either unqualified or incompetent, I sympathize. I think what ShineOn and I are trying to get across is that you don't have to throw the baby out with the bathwater. You can set up a shoestring new environment and migrate the old stuff to it, cleaning up as you do so.
PsiCopCommented:
xy8088, there's an E-Mail address in my profile. Drop me a line about your hardware issues.
pgm554Commented:
Also changing the time from the BIOS works quite well too.

 I remember time drift issues with certian ideata modules and the timesync on NW5 was pretty well busted.

So those are other issues that may come into play.
ShineOnCommented:
Works quite well as long as it doesn't make you run synthetic time ;)
xy8088Author Commented:
OK. I'm going to award the points because PsiCops first post seems to be the correct answer. But I have other issues with this now and I'll ask new questions when I get the time. But I want to cloase this question since it has been answered.

>> Works quite well as long as it doesn't make you run synthetic time ;)

I am asking a new question regarding this in: Home

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>> xy8088, there's an E-Mail address in my profile. Drop me a line about your hardware issues.

I'm actually going to end up asking a bunch of questions about different Netware stuff as I get time.

>> Assuming you had more NetWare servers before, you HAVE been removing them properly from the tree, correct?

I just took this job a few weeks ago. I have no idea what the people before me had been doing. Right now there are only 2 Netware servers.
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