500pts: Java IDE suggestions

Hi there,

Can anybody suggest a good IDE, doesn't necessarily have to be free but i did find 2

http://www.eclipse.org

and

http://www.netbeans.org/products/ide/

oh and i found this... http://www.myeclipseide.com/ContentExpress-display-ceid-15.html

and this http://www.jcreator.com/


They seem to both support plugins,

I am a user of visual studio 2005 so something that offers the power of this but for java would be great...

Still a very much beginner but probably needs to support debugging, applets, etc etc

Any advise or recommendation would be gratefully appreciated

Ian
ianinspainAsked:
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TimYatesConnect With a Mentor Commented:
>> I've been using both Eclipse and Netbeans over the years and I prefer Eclipse over Netbeans...

Heh, I prefer Netbeans to Eclipse ;-)

>> I have been reading that this may have taken over Eclipse?

Doubtful.  They both have huge followings...

IntelliJ by IDEA is reasonably priced as well, and by all accounts fantastic :-)

http://www.jetbrains.com/idea/

Installing Eclipse or Netbeans isn't too hard at all (either of them)

The thing I hate about Eclipse is having to trawl through plugins to find the functionality I want...

Netbeans comes with a lot more of the functionality built in...

Last time I checked anyway ;-)

Tim
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ianinspainAuthor Commented:
or maybe there is something better besides the 2 i mentioned..

??
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VenabiliConnect With a Mentor Commented:
Define good IDE? Because for different people it may mean different things.

JBuilder (http://www.borland.com/us/products/jbuilder/index.html) is great but is expensive.
Jcreator (http://www.jcreator.com/) is very light but I love it...

I've been using both Eclipse and Netbeans over the years and I prefer Eclipse over Netbeans...
JEdit is also not that bad http://www.jedit.org/ but I am not a huge fan.

And long ago I used Gel: http://www.gexperts.com/gel.html 
Back then it wa interesting but not enough to keep me in it...

And you can see this also:
http://www.apl.jhu.edu/~hall/java/IDEs.html
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VenabiliCommented:
Basically if you aske me - go for JCreator - I simply love it. :) But most people prefer Eclipse...
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lyonstConnect With a Mentor Commented:
From a pure developers perspective I would choose Eclipse.

There is a good review of it here.. http://www.devx.com/ibm/Article/6884
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ianinspainAuthor Commented:
Wow thanks .. for the input...

Does anybody have any comment on Netbeans? I have been reading that this may have taken over Eclipse?

Also is it true eclipse is difficult to install???

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VenabiliCommented:
As you can see all has their preferences :) It really depend on the person that will be using it.
My first editor back when I started working  professionally with Java was Kawa by Allaire (before Adobe bought them...). It is now not supported but back in 1999, it was quite nice :) I still have a few versions at home and when I start feeling nostalgy, I just open it. However - JCreator made me fall in love :)

>> I have been reading that this may have taken over Eclipse?
Not really. They share the market for free editors... not quite sure which one wins and if some of them does because a lot of people use both anyway...

>>Also is it true eclipse is difficult to install???
Nope... Neither is hard to be installed.

And one more general link: http://www.geocities.com/jnkjavaconnection/editors.html quite old but... still have good options ( just found it in one of my links files)
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ianinspainAuthor Commented:
thanks for all the input... i decided on netbeans... well thats what i will try initially...
Thanks again

Ian
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