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How can I lockdown Domain admins so people can not add themself to the group?
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by:Pber
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Unless they are in Administrators or Enterprise Admins, they shouldn't be able to add themselves to that group.

What is the exact situation?
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by:kshays
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Agreed!  Could another domain admin be adding these user by chance?  Is there a script somewhere that keeps adding them?
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by:Pber
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Making the Domain Admins group a restricted group in GPO would keep the membership of domain admins to what is defined in the GPO.  This will not prevent someone else putting someone in Domain Admins, but after the GPO resfresh it will remove the the added user if they are not defined in the GPO.

This could also be your problem.  Perhaps your Domain Admins group is already a restricted group and you've removed the user from the group, but not the GPO.  Thus the GPO is adding the user back.

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by:Klint_turney
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I have a few techs that added themself to the Domain Admins group.  I have another group that was setup before I got here a few years back that is called Dameware admins.  I thought the same thing Pher and Kshays only Domain admins can add someone to the Admins group.  Myself and 2 Systems Admins are the only "people" in the group the rest are service accounts.
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by:Klint_turney
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No, they are adding themself I am sure of.
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by:Pber
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Check the security on the Group and see if another group has been added to the permissions.  Also see if the Managed by has any users defined
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No there is nothing in the Managed by and i checked the security group already there is nothing in there other than my services accounts and I am the only one with the passwords to them.  Everyone only has read access and Auth users have read access (in the security tab)
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Can you simulate the problem with a basic test user?  If not, try to add groups one by one that the techs belong to and see if you can simulate (remember to logoff/logon after each change or do a run as).

do you know if they are using ADUC or Dameware to make these changes
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by:mightofnight
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Phisical security is just as important.  I know it's a stupid question but it only takes turning your back once on a open concole session for a knowolegeable user to grant themselves permissions.

Setup a test user with desired permissions and see what if they can join said group.
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Also dameware is a remote admin program (in case yoru not famiular with it) we looked into it a while ago.  Anyway is the dameware a member of hte domain admins group?  To find this out go to AD -> right click on the domain select find -> search for domain admin -> DBL click to view group look at members of.  Also are the techs that you don't want being domain admins listed under members?

Using remote desktop connection requires local admin rights which domain admin have.  I could be wrong with this but i think to handel this situation as part of a script we add a domain group we created called local Admins to be part of the local machine admins.  Thus our it department is part of the local admins and then have rights to connect.
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by:Jay_Jay70
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hav eyou configured AD delegation?
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by:Klint_turney
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Dameware isn't a part of the domains admin's group.  Yeah we have a 137 server data center which is secured with a door code and a camera inside. I didn't setup the accounts they were setup before I got here so I dont know what they did in AD delegation.
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by:Jay_Jay70
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Sounds to me like permissions have been delegated allowing things that shouldn't be happening
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by:RoShinAU
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Have a look through any 'other' groups that are members of Dom Admins.  Sometimes group nesting can cause you grief.  Don't know if I am allowed to mention software in here, but if you get the trial version of AD Manager Plus, you should be able to iterate all accounts that are able to modify your Dom Admins group.  Save manually going through every user and group individually.
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by:kshays
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Just realized that this topic is about 6 years old looks like.  :)
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by:RoShinAU
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Yeah, saw that AFTER posting :)  Don't I feel "special".
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by:kshays
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:)

I was going to respond also hehehe.

Kevin
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