strange latin (Cras enim)

Hi everyone,

my sister found this hidden on an internal website at her company and asked me to try to translate it.
a quick google search found thousands of matches for the phrase which appears latin:
"Cras enim, Vestibulum ante ipsum primis in faucibus orci luctus et ultrices posuere cubilia"
I told her that it must be some sort of placeholder that has a secret programmer inside joke.
But now my curiosity is peeked as well.
thanks for any help experts

Gman
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Austin TexasConnect With a Mentor Systems EngineerCommented:
Glowman -

Lorem Ipsum is used inplace of actual text on sites while in developement to get a feel for what it will look like with copy on the page.

It's a quotation of Cicero, from his work de Finibus Bonorum et Malorum Liber Primus, sections 1.10.32 and 1.10.33.

The central translation is as follows:

"Nor again is there anyone who loves or pursues or desires to obtain pain of itself, because it is pain, but because occasionally circumstances occur in which toil and pain can procure him some great pleasure."

I don't know how long this has been used to substitute for copy but we were using it when I first started in development back in 1991.

Hope that helps.

thanks - Tex

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JoeCommented:
Hi Glowman,

Tomorrow in fact Vestibulum before itself first upon faucibus orci lamentation and avenging to lay bed

http://www.tranexp.com:2000/InterTran?url=http%3A%2F%2F&type=text&text=Cras+enim%2C+Vestibulum+ante+ipsum+primis+in+faucibus+orci+luctus+et+ultrices+posuere+cubilia&from=ltt&to=eng

Joe
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GlowmanAuthor Commented:
ya I found that translation as well, but it really doesn't help much.
I did find it on 70,000 + sites and Lorem Ipsum so it might just be a holder.
but thanks Joe
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JoeCommented:
Oh, okay. So you want to find out what this means then?
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GlowmanAuthor Commented:
I guess I just am curious why it is used in thousands of websites and yes what it actually means.

examples of it in sites:
http://www.transadvocacy.com/legal.html
http://www.uoregon.edu/~prazniak/

the more I look the more I am convinced its just filler
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JoeCommented:
Yes, Now that I am looking too it looks like filler.
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harperseConnect With a Mentor Commented:
For those who are curious, my best Latin skills came up with this (and warning, it's been 13 years since High School Latin, but I was the best in the country then, according to some dumb test):

***In fact tomorrow, he will lay himself down on the altar as the first sacrifice, and in death gain revenge.

So yeah, it's filler.

Best of luck,
harperse
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JohnnyCanuckCommented:
See this site.

http://www.lipsum.com/
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