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NDS to Active Directory migration

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I am currently migrating from NDS to Active Directory.  I am having a problem with the file migration utility offered by microsoft.  I am able to syncronize with the MSDSS utility and pull user information across the network via the Directory Syncronization tool - but I get an error with the two-way syncronization and then view the log, cancel, and it starts again and succeeds.  

After I run this session in Directory Syncronization, I run the File Migration utility and cannot map to the UO that I created.  I can create a "shared folder" and map to it, but it cannot find enough disk space to actually migrate the files and comes up with disk space error and then cannot find the network path to the shared folder.  

If I try and map to the UO I created, the map button never becomes active -- the shared folder is the only way I can get this to happen.  

Any ideas would be helpful.  As stated before, I am able to transfer the users and groups from NDS, just cannot get the files to map and migrate.
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by:ShineOn
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You mean "OU" not "UO" as in Organizational Unit, correct?

You can't map files and directories to OU's in AD for file migration.  You have to map to  NTFS shares. If you're migrating data, you need to have large enough NTFS disk space available to hold the data.  If your NetWare volume(s) is/are using compression, that has to be taken into account as well.

It would be easier to help if you mentioned what version/SP of NetWare/eDirectory/NDS you're downgrading from...
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by:jfreeman14
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Thank you for the fast response!-- sorry for the typo, OU was what I meant.

We are running NW 6.5/Service Pack 5/Edirectory: 8.73 currently and no, we are not using compression.  

We are in the blueprint phase of a system migration on the business side from AS400/BPCS into SAP.  On the network side, we are migrating to an Active Directory structure in Windows Server 2003 (don't ask me why- I just work here).  

I am setting up a migration on a test system prior to the AD implementation.  It has an 80 GB HD so there should be enough NTFS space, I am just unsure of how to migrate the data into NTFS.

I know a lot about Windows Server - just not AD and migration.  Is there a utility to migrate into NTFS first or do you do it direct through Windows Server?  
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AD and NTFS are two different animals.

If you want to try to translate NWFS/NSS rights into NTFS permissions, you have to have users and groups to map the permissions to, before you migrate the data.  

I have no idea what Microsoft's migration tools look like, but I do know that NTFS permissions are ACL-based, and must be assigned on the server holding the NTFS volume, which needs to be able to assign rights to a domain-local group in AD.

Mapping rights across the systems can be quite complex, as NTFS permissions are not part of AD, beyond the SIDs on the ACL for the share/folder/file, and permissions can only be inherited from a group, while NWFS/NSS rights are using the NetWare trustee model and almost any object type can be a filesystem or eDirectory security principal and can figure into rights inheritance.
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by:jfreeman14
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Okay - I found the Quest NDS migration software and it is much better than the Windows junk.  I was unable to migrate the users, groups, priveledges, and other organization units.  Still cannot get the files to migrate.  At this point, I am trying the old-fashioned copy and paste.  

If anyone has more ideas, I would appeciate the support.
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Once you have users and groups on Windoze, you >should< be able to migrate the data using MSDSS File Migration Utility.  If it doesn't work, that just goes to show you.

I know you'd be able to migrate an NT4 environment to NetWare really easily using the SCMT tool from Novell, and hopefully they'll have a version that migrates AD-based Windoze systems (2K, 2K3) someday soon.

It's sad that M$ can't make their tools work that well, but you gotta do what you gotta do.
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Was able to migratedd the users and permissions.  As expected, a lot of the files will have to be manually done.
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