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Can't get past Ctrl Alt Del

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I miastakenly installed PC anywhere V9.0 on my XP laptop, rebooted and realised my mistake. I de-installed it using remove program from the Control Panel.  Now when I get to the logon either in safe mode or normal mode pressing Ctrl-Alt-Del has no effect.  I tried the option to restore last known safe configuration but that has not had the desired effect.  I cannot see how to go back to a previous retore point.
Can anyone help?
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Question by:JCMB
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by:younghv
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Hi JCMB,
If you have any of the "Boot CD" applications (ERD, Knoppix, etc.), you may be able to access your Registry and do a search (and delete) any references to it.
The Norton/Symantec programs seem to have a real knack for destroying Windows OS's - I quit using any of them years ago.

Someone else may have a simpler solution.

Vic
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by:airnike
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have u tried using another computer to do remote login?
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by:airnike
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ERD commander is a good option ...
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by:David-Howard
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I encountered this issue. The problem is (was) that PC Anywhere overwrote the msgina.dll file. Care to guess which file controls your Ctrl Alt Del? If you can get in through Safe Mode you may be able to remove the Symantec program. If not, I would suggest a Repair. It doesn't take that long and it will not overwrite your data.
http://www.michaelstevenstech.com/XPrepairinstall.htm
David
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by:JCMB
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I can't do a remote login but a combination of these helpful comments might work since I can access the disk from another machine.  I will try to copy a new msgina.dll file across unless there are better changes to other files  that would enable me to boot and move to a previous restore point.
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by:JCMB
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I can't write msgina.dll because I get "File in use"
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by:airnike
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u can do a overwrite the XP installation recommended by David-Howard ... you will still retain ur data nevertheless..
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http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=304449    "xp system restore from dos"
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by:burrcm
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Slave the disk into another machine and replace the dll

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by:younghv
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JCMB,
msgina.dll is less than 1 MB in size.
If you have a Boot CD, you should be able to copy a new version from Floppy or Thumb Drive to replace the old one.


Vic
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by:David-Howard
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JC,
1. Boot the by using a boot disk.
2. Go to the System32 folder where the failed MSGINA.DLL is located.
3. Copy (From your XP CD) the original MSGINA.DLL into the System32 folder.
4. Remove the boot floppy and reboot the system.
If you cannot perform the actions listed above I would suggest that you perform the Repair that I mentioned.
:-)
David
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by:JCMB
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I have tried the repair which seemed the best answer but when I got to the screen which required the product key the keyboad produced nothing which leads me to wonder whether the failure to sctivate ctrl-alt-del is to do with keyboard configuration.  The machine is a Toshiba R200 Portege.  Any ideas?  I have now restored back to the original problem and have remote access from another machine.
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by:younghv
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Download a Boot CD,create it, use it, copy a new msgina.dll file to your system32 folder.

I did notice that there are references to 'Install SP2' as a fix for this problem.
Were you already running SP2?

BOOT DISK  BOOT CD

http://www.knopper.net/knoppix/index-en.html
There is also 'Barts': http://www.nu2.nu/pebuilder/download/

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by:David-Howard
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Younghv,
My post @ 7:55AM.

JCMB,
You stated that you have remote access to the pc.
Did you uninstall PC Anywhwere as stated here?
http://service1.symantec.com/SUPPORT/pca.nsf/e1aefd06d28fcec6852569e5004cef32/00847aed56ce2f33c1256a01003c2af8?OpenDocument
If not, try that and attempt a normal boot.
From MS. Ignore the Safe Boot portion. You have remote access. Give the registry entry change an attempt.
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/817142
Symantecs Awgina.dll writes it's own version of MS's msgina.dll
That file needs to be removed and hopefully that will restore the function of msgina.dll.

We might also try using Knoppix to get around the issue.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knoppix
You can download it here:
http://www.knoppix.net/get.php
This should allow you to get into the XP OS in order to delete the awgina.dll and copy a new msgina.dll.
David
 

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by:JCMB
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I have now followed all the suggestions.  I have removed all the evidence I can find of PC anywhere. I can logon from another machine and everything seems fine apart from the fact that ctrl-alt-del has no affect when tried on the affected madhine.  I have failed to successfuly system restore to an earlirt point.
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by:younghv
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JCMB,
You may be at the point where you grab all of your data (should be simple with remote access) and then do a complete re-load -- then copy the data back.

David-Howard,
I'm not sure what your comment "My post @ 7:55AM" means -- but I do notice that I made the same recommendation about 4 hours before that.
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by:airnike
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so remote works .... that will be good ...

to check ...

1. reinstall ur keyboard ... after then restart the system to take effect ...

if it does not ... try this

2. Accessibility options - Keyboard

and

HKCU\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Policies\Explorer\NoWinKeys.
Set it to 0 to make Windows keys work
If these don't help, you can still use ctrl / win-keys by running osk, on-screen keyboard
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by:JCMB
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Thanks to everyone.  I did persist and have satisfactorily amended the Registry with thge help of those recommendations I accepted.
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